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Does anyone know the website address for the discussion board where Marc
Millar is discussing T5 stuff?
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LOL!!!! No kiddin'!!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
"F#@%ing Micro$oft!!!!!"
But will I stop using their products?
<sheepish grin>
Nope.
Jesse
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> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Glenn Grant
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:14 PM
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> Subject: RE: [TML] Attachments
>
>
> > "Paul Drye" <[email protected]> sez,
> >
> >>I'm using Win2k w/Office 2000's Outlook. One of my depts. IT guys & I
> >>aren't seeing this option anywhere.....
> >
> >I don't believe that Outlook 2000 has this option. In their
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> >its programmers make you switch formats manually on every reply
> to a message
> >that's not in plaintext. You can set a default for new messages,
> but replies
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>
> Let's just be thankful Bill Gates didn't start up a gun-making business...
>
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>
> LEO: "That's a MicroSoft OutShoot2000, idiot. It fires automatically
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> On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Leonard Erickson wrote:
>
>> >> I'm *not* going there.... :-)
>>
>> > I would, Leonard. Kiri is CUTE. :)
>>
>> She said *she* didn't go down. And I never said anything about whether
>> *I* do, now did I?
>
> I said it's sad when the list goes down and I don't. I never said that my
> not doing so was a permanent condition.
>
> It's got to do with being in that awkward state referred to as the
> Schrodinger Relationship. Until someone says something, you don't know
> whether you are in one or not. And nobody wants to say anything lest they
> should find out that they're not going to hear the answer they want to
> hear.
>
> He is constantly telling me that he thinks I'm smart, cool, talented and
> everything. He IM's me at least once or twice a day. He emails me. He
> listed me in the acknowledgements of his thesis along with a colleague and
> two professors despite the fact that my mathematical knowledge is not
> sufficient to balance a checkbook. He made me vice president of his club,
> which now is entirely convinced that we're involved. He dances with other
> girls at a much bigger distance than he does with me and is afraid to
> touch me in front of other people except on the dance floor.
>
> But he hasn't made a move on me yet or said anything that definitively
> lets me know he admires more than my brain. I feel like there's something
> going on, and I don't want to go out with anybody else anyway.
>
> I think that if I grabbed him firmly with both hands and said "look, I
> want you," he would freak the f*** out.
Likely.
> But I am sorely tempted to do exactly that.
Well, keep in mind that a lot of guys are *very* afraid* of "ruining"
things by going too far, too fast.
> Until one of us gets a shot of courage, I am probably not going to have
> sex for a while.
Join the club. I'm not even sure when the last time *I* had it was. I
*think* I know which year. :-(
> ObTrav: Even in the far, far future, I suspect this will still be a
> problem. I just hope it's one that WE have solved by then.
Which "we"? Humanity, or just you and your friends. :-)
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Hey Dom,
The new address for the TML is [email protected]
Dean
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dominic Mooney [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 07 April 2001 12:24
> To: Loren Wiseman; Steve (Bloo) Daniels; Tod Glenn
> Cc: Glenn Goffin; Rob Miracle; Douglas Berry; Trevor, Peter; 'Eris
> Reddoch'; [email protected]; 'Owen Hughes @ Home'; [email protected];
> [email protected]; Jones, Dean;
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> Subject: Absence
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'd post this to TML but I'm not certain if it's up at the moment.
>
> My real world job has moved 100 miles across the Pennines (mountains)
> in the UK from Liverpool to Leeds, which means I can't check my home
> ISP account during the week (unless I get a Mac portable or manage
> how to install Eudora etc on a very locked down NT4 laptop from work).
>
> As a result, replies from my [email protected] address will be
> slow and sporadic at best - if you need to contact me urgently, email
> me at [email protected] (but please, nothing that could be
> considered dubious!).
>
>
> The potential good side from the Traveller perspective is that I
> should get one or two free evenings a week to work on Traveller
> material (so the FT conversion may be ready for April 28, and the
> articles for Loren may well be done too).
>
> cheers,
>
> Dom
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
>
> Does anyone know the website address for the discussion board where Marc
> Millar is discussing T5 stuff?
> the web form at http://tml.travellercentral.com.
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Independantly of the Traveller XML project I've continued working
on my own relational database and software project. I've more or
less finished the logical design for phase 1 of the database and
have posted it to the web for comments. It can be found at
StuffOnline ...
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/trisen/sol/traveller/tu/index.html
Regards PLST
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Thanks for the info.
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:02:12 -0400 "Swordy" <[email protected]>
writes:
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> >
> > Does anyone know the website address for the discussion board
> where Marc
> > Millar is discussing T5 stuff?
> > the web form at http://tml.travellercentral.com.
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Sorry to waste bandwidth, this is just a line check.
thanks
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On 04/05/01 at 04:43 PM, "Jesse Degraff" <[email protected]> said:
>That any better?
>Jesse
Jesse, to be honest...it's just the same. I looked at the header of your previous message and it was listed as plain text and had no attachment that I could find. This one is just the same.
You might notice I'm *not* using Outlook or Express. <g>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Frank G. Pitt
> Sent: 06 April 2001 13:33
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [TML] Traveller XML - step 2
>
> Mark Preston wrote :
> > <<<===System body section - moon===>>>
>
> Is the above part of the XML ?
> It doesn't look valid to me.
>
ROTFL!!
>
> > > > survey="0422">
>
> Might be better to user a word other than "body" just so we
> don't get
> clashes with
> the tag from XHTML. Either that or make sure you
> define a namespace
> for this XML
>
I'd like a different word for it too - any ideas? While I'm on that
subject, I've almost finished the "cometary objects" definitions now
but have no idea what the hell to call them. "<oort>", "<comet>" - any
ideas? Oh, and it will have its own namespace anyway.
>
> BTW do yuo have a DTD for this ?
>
Got a Schema. Several have asked, but it seems attachments mess up the
list so I've not posted it yet. Is that going to be ok, or should I
post it out individually?
>
> > <size code="1">Diameter 1,021 miles.
> > Density 3.75 g/cc
> > Mass 0.24 earths
> > Gravity 0.12g</size>
>
> You should make all of diameter, density, mass and gravity
> either attributes
> or seperate tags.
>
I was wondering about that too. In the basic code, I've stuck to the
canon UPP, but Ben's Landgrab (and a lot of others) have this extra
data. I don't know where they get it from, but it seems to be very
widely used, so I was planning to extract them as separate tags in the
next update. Attributes is a better idea though - thanks.
>
> > <atmosphere code="0">No external atmosphere.
> > Habitat regions maintained at pressure (0.8 atm) and moderate
> > tempurature (7.5 C).</atmosphere>
>
> same with temperature and atmosphere
>
Ok - I'll do the same here. This one hadn't occured to me and no-one
else has mentioned them yet.
Thanks for the advice Frankie.
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Thanks for the code - and the offer to include parts of it. I've got
most of it well in hand already, but there are a few things I could do
with your information on.
1. You have a <polity_num> tag inside the UPP that doesn't seem to be
canon. What is it and what does it refer to? I take it that there can
be several <polities> and could do with more details.
2. I like the idea of berth tonnage, ship bays and berths for each
starport. I'll include that in the code I'm building. What do you use
to define the difference between a "berth" and a "bay"?
3. I'd also be very interested to see how you define data for trade
and trade routes.
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From: AuricTech Shipyards <[email protected]>
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--- clifford n linehan <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:13:55 -0700 (PDT), AuricTech Shipyards
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Would some kind soul please post the link to the site from which I can
>>download Galactic 2.4? I have a new laptop which desperately needs this
>>outstanding program.
>
>The Core Route Projects has a complete listing of links and downloads for
>Galactic 2.4 and all of the upgrade patches, sectors not included in the
>current release, and sectors for the Zhodani Core Route.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/traveller_core_route/proj001.html
Thank you, sir. One more group of questions:
Are the patches required, how do I install them, which patches do I need (both GAL24B and GAL24C, or just GAL24C), and what do the patches actually do?
==
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--- "Mark Preston" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Frank G. Pitt
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>> > >> > survey="0422">
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>> Might be better to user a word other than "body" just so we
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>> clashes with
>> the tag from XHTML. Either that or make sure you
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>I'd like a different word for it too - any ideas?
How about "cbody" (for "celestial body")?
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Question for the list:
Are there any differences between
the formulaes in TNE's FF&S and T4's FF&S?
David
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George William Herbert wrote:
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> Zahir <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I guess my own non-tech background is showing--how have astronauts survived in
> >space up until now if cosmic rays are so prevelant and deadly? Is it because
> >of their proximity to Earth's magnetic field? Would that include the Apollo
> >missions to the moon? And if so, then having the station in orbit around a
> >fair-sized planet with a magnetic field should provide all the need
> >protection, right?
>
> Cosmic rays are low constant dose rate (roughly); the dosages for flight
> from the earth to the moon are low, because the flights only took a week
> or so. On a mission to Mars, the GCR exposure is a noticable worry but
> within tolerable risks: slight increase (~ 1%) in lifetime cancer risk
> for example, over 2-3 years of the mission. However, living with that
> exposure for a decade or two or your whole life is much more risky,
> and violates current lifetime radiation exposure limits by large amounts,
> with statistically significant health effects especially in large
> populations, with children, etc.
>
> Solar flares are intermittent. When there's a flare, you get dosed
> unless you're shielded. When there isn't a flare, you get nothing.
> There are small flares pretty regularly (say, weekly, as a very rough
> guide). There are medium flares say monthly. There are serious health
> risk inducing flares once a year or so, and a really big one once or twice
> in each 11 year solar cycle. The biggest one observed to date was in
> 1956, which was pretty damn big, but appears to be relatively rare.
>
> The health risks of the weekly-on-average mini-flares are low.
> The health risks of the monthly-on-average flares are low if you're
> shielded a moderate amount (inside a spacecraft hull with equipment
> all around you); Apollo had a return-to-lander-within-flare-warning-time
> requirement had there been a low-medium flare while astronauts were
> on the lunar surface. As it turns out, there never was one, but it
> was a big enough risk that it had to be planned for.
>
> The once a year or so level flares would have made astronauts sick
> inside their capsules, but not killed them. This would have been
> a mission abort scenario, and was a calculated risk. There was a
> low but noticable probability over the whole lunar program that
> eventually a set of astronauts would get caught outside earth's
> magnetosphere by one of these flares, get slightly sick, and have
> to abort the mission.
>
> The very serious flares (once in a cycle, once every several cycles
> levels of radiation) are somewhat avoidable by not flying too many
> missions near solar maximum. There was still a nonzero risk that
> such flares (with enough energy to kill astronauts shielded inside
> an Apollo capsule or lander) would happen during one of the flights.
> It was analyzed extensively and found to be a low enough risk over
> the whole program that the planners, politicians, and astronauts
> went ahead anyways. Calculated but tolerable risk levels.
>
> Any serious ongoing space program, lunar base, etc. would have to
> take flares into account. A moonbase would need a couple of meters
> of lunar soil piled over it for radiation protection from serious
> flares and from the ongoing slow GCR exposure. Transfer vehicles
> moving people from the Earth to the Moon may not use storm shelters,
> but if used regularly enough (particular near solar maximum) should
> probably do so. Even so, there's somewhat of a risk of the worst case
> 1956 flare repeating while people are out in transit somewhere,
> and if that happens, there will be fatalities except for those with
> very significant storm shelters. Again, calculated risk. Due to this,
> if nothing else, living in deep space will be hazardous for some time to
> come, until transit craft are big enough to carry the sort of shielding
> to deal with 1956 level flares.
>
> -george william herbert
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Further to Marc's comments, which I posted to the old TML just before it
collapsed, here's another review of Behind the Throne I've just some across.
Behind the Throne (ISBN 0967883202) can be found on amazon, ordered through
bookstores or from www.highbridgepress,com....
"Reviewer: Anitra L. Freeman from Seattle, WA United States
Behind the Throne is classified fantasy-adventure because it takes place in
a medieval world that never was. This lets an author have person-to-person
battle instead of the faceless conflicts of modern war, arrange events at
will without having to align with history, imagine new cultures and nations.
This is not the usual fantasy-adventure romp with lots of naked sweaty
muscles, comic-book violence, and a celebratory clench-a-wench ale-swigging
at the end. There is no magic, no mysticism, and less philosophizing than
you find in an exchange between two hard-boiled detectives. It is battle and
war and pain and death from beginning to end, with small bits of personal
peace and reward. Good people die, and bad people live too long. Moral
questions do not have easy solutions, and even the hard solutions aren't
perfect. I liked it very much.
Dougherty has a clear, transparent writing style that focuses attention on
the story rather than the author. His characters are described by their
actions, so they develop a little more slowly than "The noble Pancha Dru
with his eagle's countenance and heroic heart" but feel more like people
than like dreams. I don't feel like chucking Alvin Riall under the chin and
feeding him cookies, which is the impulse most of the modern ilk of fantasy
heroes and heroines arouse in me. Dougherty even has female characters with
independence and fingthing ability -- which is not an anachronism. Medieval
chatelaines held their husband's castles in their absence, under war and
siege, in all reality.
Martin Dougherty is a science teacher and a fencing coach. He has written
popular fantasy-adventure gaming materials for several years. The gamers I
have known demand logic and realism in their fantasy wars. Dougherty has
successfully transferred those elements to novel-length fiction. I hope he
writes more."
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:29:47 -0700 (PDT), Michael Schwartz
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>Most spammers put false removal instructions in their emails to take
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There is no screwy legislation enacted by the U.S Congress (opposite of
Progress). (tinslebtUSC(ooP)) The bill died in committee. Spammers just
want to scare you into not complaining about the spam, because Sinz Da
Guvmin Mayd A Lawr, If Yew Kmplayn, Yer Innerfeerin' Wif Ma Rite To Frea
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That said, I do prefer the terminology of 'unsubscribe' versus 'remove'.
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