TML Digest Saturday, April 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 113
Re: [TML] Does this work?
Re: [TML] Does this work?
RE: [TML] Does this work?
Re: [TML] Does this work?
Found the problem...
Re: [TML] Does this work?
Re: [TML] Does this work?
RE: [TML] heroes
RE: [TML] Does this work?
Re: [TML] Does this work?
Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
Re: Smart Fabrics
Re: [TML] heroes
Filk: Opportunities
Re: [TML] Does this work?
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Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
Re: [TML] Re: Smart Fabrics
Re: [TML] Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
Re: heroes
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:04:08 -0700
From: Bruce Johnson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] Does this work?
John Lambert wrote:
> Bill's message showed up as plain text for me also. This has me worried
> that I may not be sending in plain text either. I hope no one is too shy
> to let me (or anyone else)know if their messages contain unnecessary
> formating information.
>
Like many people, when you get a mime-html message like Bills, and reply
to it, you mailer sends it back in the same format.
Thihs is likely in a preferences setting somewhere.
While I'm at it, I just found the absolutely coolest setting in Mozilla.
(many prefs screens in Mozilla display weirdly on my PeeCee, such as not
showing the entire window AND not showing a scrollbar...)
But it allows you to set entire domains as HTML or plain text only. I
just set travellercentral.com as PTO, and now I should never inflict a
non-text message on anyone on the list.
- --
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:11:13 -0500
From: Eris Reddoch <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] Does this work?
John and Bill,
Look at the header of one of your messages. If it is being sent in MIME
then it really isn't plain text.
This is a portion of one of Bill's message headers...
- - MIME-Version: 1.0
- - X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
- - Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
- - boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0C442.988E4480"
If they were really "plain text" I think the Content-Type would be
something like "text/plain; charset=US-ASCII"
I'm at work and using Netscape, so both your stuff shows up as text, but
that "alternative" part is still probably html *and* an extra hunk of
bytes that you don't really need to send. As for how you turn it
off....beats me...but I'm sure somebody here knows.
Eris
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:23:24 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [TML] Does this work?
Ok im not sure what to do. i dont get any HTML attachments on either a
hotmail account or an netaddress account. my IS guys are stumped at this
point. I have plain text selected. I even chose plain text for this reply in
the format section of the tool bar.
However i know john fox is recieving HTML attachments.
anyway i am trying to figure this out.
Thanks Bill
- -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [TML] Does this work?
John your in plain text. at least to me. which is not saying a heck of a
lot.
what i cant figure out is i am sending in plain text. i have plain texts
selected. some people are getting plain texts others are not. also i appear
to be sending an additional HTML attachment. I can not find an option to
turn this off or stop it. if someone has any ideas what to do it would be
appreciated.
It is not my intention to be spamming the list with useless garbage but at
this moment im at a loss.
Bill
- -----Original Message-----
From: John Lambert [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TML] Does this work?
Bill's message showed up as plain text for me also. This has me worried that
I may not be sending in plain text either. I hope no one is too shy to let
me (or anyone else)know if their messages contain unnecessary formating
information.
John
>From: [email protected]
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [TML] Does this work?
>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:41:39 -0700
>
>Can someone tell me if this is sending in plain text?
>
>thanks
>
>Bill
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:41:26 -0600
From: "Robert A. Uhl" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] Does this work?
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 05:32:42PM +0000, John Lambert wrote:
> Bill's message showed up as plain text for me also. This has me worried that
> I may not be sending in plain text either. I hope no one is too shy to let
> me (or anyone else)know if their messages contain unnecessary formating
> information.
It's important to note that the mere presence of a MIME-Version:
header does not necessarily indicate that one's messages are not plain
text. Lambert's, for example, was a MIME message of one part with
type text/plain; so there is no problem.
- --
Robert Uhl <[email protected]>
Upgrading your OS and not needing to upgrade your hardware is a great
feeling. --Patrick Mullen
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:41:23 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: Found the problem...
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C449.56DA07C0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Ok im going to have to switch email addresses for this. Evedentally the
Owner of the company has set some sort of server side thing up so that they
send this stuff out with this MIME-1.0 so he can have his special signiture.
Sort of screwed up really. so even though i send out a plain text email the
server is converting it. cant be changed. so ill need to figure out how to
get my downport.com email to work.
Again I appologise for spamming the list. was not my intention to ever do
that.
hasta
Bill
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Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
5.5.2653.12">
<TITLE>Found the problem...</TITLE>
</HEAD>
Ok im going to have to switch email addresses for =
this. Evedentally the Owner of the company has set some sort of server =
side thing up so that they send this stuff out with this MIME-1.0 so he =
can have his special signiture.
Sort of screwed up really. so even though i send out =
a plain text email the server is converting it. cant be changed. so ill =
need to figure out how to get my downport.com email to work.
Again I appologise for spamming the list. was not my =
intention to ever do that.
hasta
Bill
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:44:29 -0600
From: "Robert A. Uhl" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] Does this work?
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 10:53:07AM -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> what i cant figure out is i am sending in plain text. i have plain texts
> selected. some people are getting plain texts others are not. also i appear
> to be sending an additional HTML attachment. I can not find an option to
> turn this off or stop it. if someone has any ideas what to do it would be
> appreciated.
You are sending a two-part MIME message. The first part is
text/plain; the second text/html. The second is an alternative to the
first, and is thus ignored by most MIME-compatible mail readers;
MIME-incompatible readers (which _should_ be few and far between these
days, but are not) will display your text message followed by and HTML
message. While this is slightly annoying, and does lead to an
expansion in message size, I do not think it is over-harmful.
I've sent this to the entire list 'cause I though some might find it
of note. My apologies to those who do not.
- --
Robert Uhl <[email protected]>
`What would you do if you won $1,000,000?'
`Well, I guess I'd spend the first $900,000 on women and beer, then just
waste the rest.'
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:47:56 -0600
From: "Robert A. Uhl" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] Does this work?
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 11:23:24AM -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> Ok im not sure what to do. i dont get any HTML attachments on either a
> hotmail account or an netaddress account. my IS guys are stumped at this
> point. I have plain text selected. I even chose plain text for this reply in
> the format section of the tool bar.
This message was sent as plain text alone. It was not even sent as a
single-part MIME message, which would have been effectively the same.
Can you make that setting the default?
- --
Robert Uhl <[email protected]>
The aggressor is a man of peace. He wants nothing more than to march
into a neighbouring country unresisted. --Clausewitz
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:41:26 +0100
From: "Andy Brick" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [TML] heroes
Hello,
> Sorry, trying to make ends meet with next to
> nothing is the story of my real life-- what I game to escape from, hello?
Ah well, there you go, you see.
Since I'm living such an epic life, full of excitement, intrigue, passionate
encounters, foes that I always manage to overcome no matter what the odds,
smart one liners, no need even for a band aid, I enjoy playing a humdrum
mundane person to relax <grin> :-)
But I digress; Enough about me. Back to your email.
> ...realism is overrated. None is bad, but too much can be even worse.
Yeah, but space opera can become dull after a while. Just imagine the
following rather extreme version of events -
Ref : "Ok guys, you have to just destroy the Death Star using this crossbow
and sixty yards of dental floss. In the dark. And did I mention the first
Imperial fleet just jumped in from Sylea ? - oh, and one last thing, your
death ray is broken."
Player 1 : "Er - didn't we do that last week ? Or was that the one where we
singlehandly defeated the Zyxaxxian Invasion fleet using that experimental
ship we stole with the gun that fired singularities ?"
Player 2 : "Yeah - I took a direct hit. Good job I took Medic-1 or I'd have
been toast."
Player 3 : "Nah, you're both wrong. Last week was the one where we rescued
Princess Ululu from the rebels on Pakakia, remember ? We took on the whole
horde armed just with fruit knives ? "
Player 1&2 : "No ?
Player 3 : "Then the palace caught fire and we made our escape using the
ornithopter that we constructed using J-o-T-10 and the furniture in the
Princess's bedroom ?"
Player 1&2 : "Still doesn't ring any bells".
Player 3 : "You were both wearing your favourite blue sweaters."
Player 1&2 : "Ahhhhh ! Got it !!"
- --
Over the top ? Sure, but the point is still valid.
Seriously though, there is often a requirement of space opera to dream up
better bad guys, bigger death stations, more impossible situations, tighter
escapes, what have you.
Yawn.
Give me serious character development, mature issues, a darker and moodier
theme, undiluted human nature, a story arc across many scenarios rather than
episodic content, and to top it all off, atmosphere. Make it gritty, make it
real but with just a dash of the dramatic, the adventurous, and count me in.
And yes, I do prefer Bladerunner, Outland, and Alien/Aliens, to Star Wars,
Star Trek and Babylon 5 (though Babylon 5 did have a few redeeming moments,
to be fair). I also prefer William Gibson to Iain Banks. But that's my
preference.
Sure, no one wants to emulate real life. But then, surely no one wants to
face impossible odds _every day_ either. I'd bet it's just as dull ...
BTW : Your Cthulhu character lasted over a year ? Sane ? Either you ran
faster than the rest of them, played a blind character, or something was
very, very wrong with the game. In my experience, six, maybe seven scenarios
in, and your character is seriously deranged, mangled, dead, whatever.
Probably all three.
Regards
Andy
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:40:59 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [TML] Does this work?
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
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Robert,
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 11:23:24AM -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> Ok im not sure what to do. i dont get any HTML attachments on either a
>> hotmail account or an netaddress account. my IS guys are stumped at this
>> point. I have plain text selected. I even chose plain text for this reply
in
>> the format section of the tool bar.
>This message was sent as plain text alone. It was not even sent as a
>single-part MIME message, which would have been effectively the same.
>Can you make that setting the default?
I went into the Format and made sure plain text was selected. So in my
options the default is set to Plain Text. then when i hit reply i went to
format and hit plain text also. once this was done i then typed message and
sent.
Let me know what happens. John Fox says that when im sending via the mailing
list he does not get a html attachment but when i send strait to him he gets
the html attachment.
It might be just easier to find a shareware/freeware mail program and set it
up to go across downport.com than to keep hassling with this and making
people mad at me 8(
Hasta
Bill
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Robert,
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 11:23:24AM -0700, =
[email protected] wrote:
>> Ok im not sure what to do. i dont get any =
HTML attachments on either a
>> hotmail account or an netaddress account. =
my IS guys are stumped at this
>> point. I have plain text selected. I even =
chose plain text for this reply in
>> the format section of the tool bar.
>This message was sent as plain text alone. =
It was not even sent as a
>single-part MIME message, which would have been =
effectively the same.
>Can you make that setting the default?
I went into the Format and made sure plain text was =
selected. So in my options the default is set to Plain Text. then when =
i hit reply i went to format and hit plain text also. once this was =
done i then typed message and sent.
Let me know what happens. John Fox says that when im =
sending via the mailing list he does not get a html attachment but when =
i send strait to him he gets the html attachment.
It might be just easier to find a shareware/freeware =
mail program and set it up to go across downport.com than to keep =
hassling with this and making people mad at me 8(
Hasta
Bill
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:40:22 -0700
From: "Pronto" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] Does this work?
> Ok im not sure what to do. i dont get any HTML attachments on either a
> hotmail account or an netaddress account. my IS guys are stumped at this
> point. I have plain text selected. I even chose plain text for this reply
in
> the format section of the tool bar.
>
> However i know john fox is recieving HTML attachments.
>
> anyway i am trying to figure this out.
>
> Thanks Bill
>
OK, something changed. I got this one as plain text. Congrats!
Pronto
AKA Brian Taylor
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:10:32 +0100
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
> Average human male BSA 1.86m^2
> Average human female BSA 1.63m^2
>
> (Source: The MacMillan Visual Desk Reference)
>
> Using the average heights (whatever you want to call them, I use Male 1.72 m
> Female 1.60 m) you should be able to calculate BSA as a proprtion to the
> square of height, factoring in differences for physique &, endowment. One
> way to calculate these would be to use the standard deviation of the
> Strength attribute as a rough metric.
The formula I use at work for this is:
BSA = W^0.425 X H^0.725 X 0.007184
W is weight in kg, H is height in cm. Gives BSA in m^2.
(ref: Du Bois & Du Bois, Arch. Intern. Med. 17, p 863, 1916)
This is probably totally useless info, but someone may find it helpful.
- --
Shane Thomas
Oxford, UK
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:37:57 -0400
From: Jeff Zeitlin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Smart Fabrics
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:44:54 -0700 (PDT), Glenn Grant <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Tod G. sez,
>>I hope this is posted on the web somewhere
>>[snip]
>> > --------------------
>> > Smart Fabrics
>> > -------------
>Hey, Jeff Z. -- do you want to put this up at Trav Central? Let me
>know if you need me to e-mail you a copy.
Trav Central isn't me; Freelance Traveller is. And yes, I'd like to put it
there <giggling>.
This message of yours appeared in the same digest as mine to you asking if
I could!
>BTW, any of these "=A0" things should be deleted from the text.
>They're typos that appear to have been inserted by Eudora.
>
- --
Jeff Zeitlin
[email protected]
(ILink: news without the abuse. Ask via email.)
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:35:06 -0700
From: Douglas Berry <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] heroes
At 09:49 AM 04/13/01 -0700, you wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Douglas Berry wrote:
>> What you seem to like is low fantasy. GURPS is excellent for this.
>> Getting stabbed by a sword is going to *hurt*, and will probably kill you,
>> no matter who you are.
>>
>Actually I think knowing your tastes is THE most important thing for
>having fun gaming. I once was in a game with a guy who insisted we all
>start out as peasants, etc. Sorry, trying to make ends meet with next to
>nothing is the story of my real life-- what I game to escape from, hello?
True, and depended upon my mood, I can play to either field (quiet Kiri!)
Sometimes I like a gritty, hard-reality game. Then I like to be Jason
Starkiller of the Galactic Patrol (cue fanfare)
>I do not like low fantasy very much nor am I keen on the kind of Trav game
>where you are one step ahead of the repo guys. I am a high-drama kind of
>person. (Some unkind souls have said I'm a drama queen in RL...) anyhow,
>I like high epic fantasy and space opera and I also enjoy hard hard sf,
>but I don't like the kind of games that make you live hand to mouth and I
>don't like the kind of games where adventure is so deadly you're rolling
>up a new character every week. Although I am pretty good at staying alive
>and kept the same character for a year and a half in Call of Cthulhu,
>finally retiring her when the rest of the party rebelled against fighting
>HER enemies.
I think you are really going to like the D&D3 campaign I'm working on... :)
- --
Douglas E. Berry [email protected]
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
"Hear the voices in my head, swear to God it
sounds like they're snoring." - Harvey Danger
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:33:32 -0700
From: Douglas Berry <[email protected]>
Subject: Filk: Opportunities
Opportunities
Ttto: Opportunities (by the Pet Shop Boys)
Chorus:
I've got the ship
You've got the guns
Let's make lots of money
You've got the pull
I've got the crew
Let's make lots of\x85
I'm tired of hauling cargo and never breaking clear
I'm sick of whiny passengers shouting in my ear
I've found myself a patron, who needs a job done fast
Listen to my offer if you're interested in cash
Chorus
Smuggling is an option; piracy is too
If you were in my seat, which one would you choose?
The bank is looking for me; the repo men close in
I've been playing by their rules too long, now I play to win
Oh, there are lots of opportunities, if you know how to take them
Oh, there are lots of opportunities, if you know how to take them
If you take them
Chorus
Money
Lets make lots of money
Now they call me outlaw, I'm living on the run
Do I regret my choices? Hell no I'm having fun
You can keep your laws and ethics; at last I'm living free
So ask yourself this question if you want to follow me
Chorus
- --
Douglas E. Berry [email protected]
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
"Hear the voices in my head, swear to God it
sounds like they're snoring." - Harvey Danger
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:20:40 PST
From: [email protected] (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: [TML] Does this work?
In mail you write:
> Ok im not sure what to do. i dont get any HTML attachments on either a
> hotmail account or an netaddress account. my IS guys are stumped at this
> point. I have plain text selected. I even chose plain text for this reply in
> the format section of the tool bar.
*This* message *is* in plain text.
As I recall, at least one mail reader (AOL?) you have to select "plain
text" EVERY TIME you write a message. There's no way to make it the
default.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka shadow{G})
[email protected] <--preferred
[email protected] <--last resort
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:22:19 PST
From: [email protected] (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: [TML] Does this work?
In mail you write:
> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
>
> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C442.988E4480
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> John your in plain text. at least to me. which is not saying a heck of a
> lot.
>
> what i cant figure out is i am sending in plain text. i have plain texts
> selected. some people are getting plain texts others are not. also i appear
> to be sending an additional HTML attachment. I can not find an option to
> turn this off or stop it. if someone has any ideas what to do it would be
> appreciated.
And this message had the MIME'd HTML attachment.
But I notice that the HTML part hard a lot *more* stuff than the plain
text part. By any chance does your mail program (what *are* you using,
anyway?) have an option to "quote as attachment"? Or anything like
that? Because *that* could do it...
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka shadow{G})
[email protected] <--preferred
[email protected] <--last resort
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:16:02 -0400
From: Glenn Grant <[email protected]>
Subject: Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
Rob and Mikko: Thanks for the comments.
Rob O'Connor said,
> > All costs, masses and stored volumes listed below are for a full suit
>> (for a typical human), or per 1m2 of Smart Fabric
>Closer to 2m^2 to cover an adult human (1.7m^2), unless it's stretchy.
Quite right. What was I thinking? If I'd thought about it for a
moment I'd have realized that 1m2 is too small by half.
Ah, I think I see what happened: I was basing this on Greg Porter's
"Armor Notes" in CSC (pg 14), where he suggests a rough figure of 1m3
for the *volume* of an adult human. Reading this late at night, I
must have garbled it as a 1m2 figure for *surface area*.
So I'm going to have to go back and fix some of the figures. Some
price and mass figures were based on 1m2 area, and others were based
on figures for a full suit. And many numbers were pulled out thin
air (using the ever-popular "That Looks About Right" system).
ATTN: Jeff Zeitlin: I'll do a rewrite and send it to you; so anybody
who wants the bug-squashed version can find it next time you do an
update to Trav Central.
I'll probably list the mass and price for 1m2, and suggest doubling
these figures for a full suit.
>The "Rule of 9's" is used to calculate the %age BSA :-
>Head and neck 9%
[etc. snipped]
>Genitalia/perineum 1
Great, now I know how much fabric is needed for a codpiece!
Thanks for the figures; will come in handy.
> > Thermo-Electric-9 0.25kg 300Cr 0.25 liter
>> Self-heating and -cooling. Uses between 100 and 1000w,
>> depending on conditions, and requires a power source.
> >
>Very useful survival product. Seal up the corners, rev it up and use it as a
>water heater/desalination rig (among other things).
This is based on Porter's "Thermosuit" from CSC (pg 14-15) --
although I now note that his price for the suit is 1000Cr. When and
why did I change that, I wonder?
> > Biomonitors-11 0.3kg 400Cr 0.3 litres
>> Captures the wearer's body temperature, blood pressure, pulse
>> rate, and respiration rate.
> >
>Add blood oxygen saturation (pulse oximetry is more useful than
>counting resp rate), and a pedometer/calorimeter option for fitness buffs.
Okay, perfect. But I'm curious; how do you measure blood oxygen
saturation with a sensor worn outside the body? (I know next to
nothing about medical technology.)
> > Sound Emitting/Capturing-11 -- 200Cr --
>> Can rigidify circular panels which vibrate to produce sound.
> >
>Cool product. Some wattages and frequency responses are locked out of cloth
>designed to be worn, for safety reasons.
Let's hope so!
> > Photoelectric-12 0.25kg 20Cr 0.25 liter
>> Generates power when exposed to sunlight. Output varies with
>> conditions, but assuming an Atmos 6 world, 1AU from a G0v sun: a full
>> suit will generate about 100w (250w at TL14). A 1m2 area entirely
>> exposed to the same light will generate about 300w (650w at TL14).
>> Even the slightest cloud cover drastically cuts the output. In
>> vacuum, will generate at least three times as many watts.
> >
>How efficient are TL 14 cells? Do the solar panel numbers come from FF&S?
I think I started with Porter's figures in his Vehicle Design system
from page 60 of CSC (it's a partial version of FF&S, modified for
T4). But CSC only goes up to TL12 -- in fact only up to TL11 for
photovoltaics; so I extrapolated the figures for TL14 . (TSAR system
again.) I guessed -- perhaps wrongly? -- that only about a third of
a suit will be in direct sunlight, on average.
Actually, his figures for photovoltaics on page 60 say that a 12m
area generates .004Mw, at TL11+. That's 333w per square meter. But
he doesn't say whether that's in atmosphere or in vacuum. (I must
have assumed the former.)
Then again, Porter also writes (CSC pg 14), under EVA-14, "The outer
surface of the suit provides photovoltaic power equal to 200 watts in
the habitable zone, capable of powering the suit at low levels
indefinitely." Hmmm. Let's assume the EVA-14 has a surface area of,
what? 3m2? I'll use my one-third-in-sunlight guesstimate, and get an
exposed area of 1m2. Which, using page 60, should generate 333w (at
TL11). I wonder how he arrived at 200 watts?
But from this I can infer that his page 60 figures are probably for
vacuum. I assume that in atmosphere the efficiency would be cut by at
least a third. Am I guessing wrong?
> > Adventure Climber-14 2kg 2000Cr 3 liters
>> photoelectric (generates about 250w); sticky-shoes &
>> - -gloves. The glow of your climbing suit will help the rescue teams
> > find you when you get stuck half-way up the crater wall.
> >
> > Assuming that the 250W is all channeled into the glow, it may not be all
>that bright (a light bulb has about 2% of your surface area ; how bright is
>a 5W bulb?)
Ah, but if you're in sunlight, and thus generating power, presumably
you don't need to glow. The photovoltaics are only there to recharge
your batteries, which you use at night, when glowing is much more
useful!
Thanks for the comments, guys. I'll get around to doing a rewrite soonish.
Best,
+GMG+
- --
Glenn Grant
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- - Robot Hell Brochure, Futurama
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:24:34 +1000
From: "Robert O'Connor" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
"Mikko V. I. Parviainen" wrote :-
> A regular light bulb converts only a very low percentage of the power
> into light. (Offhand I would say 10%).
You're right. Most of the power is going to be radiated off in the IR from
good old resistive (Joule) heating. 10% is a good estimate.
OK, so we're looking at 4-10W for common household globes used as lighting
sources (what's on offer at the supermarket here). The cloth's power
consumption looks a bit excessive.
> Still, considering that people might be using these suits while
> climbing in mountains, the output power might be a bit small, at
> least when on snow on a sunny day.
You're better off using the thermal cloth and relying on IR contrast for
search and rescue ; it may also prevent hypothermia. I agree about the use
of coloured light - but then why not have Day-Glo coloured clothing to begin
with (sufficient contrast during the day, rely on IR effects at night).
The warming-cooling cloth is very useful. A cloth esky for the beer you're
taking on that hike, which can be turned into a water heater for the odd cup
of tea at trail's end...
Dan Lane wrote :-
> Using the average heights (whatever you want to call them, I use Male 1.72
m
> Female 1.60 m) you should be able to calculate BSA as a proprtion to the
> square of height,
Body Surface Area = 0.007184 X (W^0.425) X (H^0.725)
where W is mass in kg, H height in cm
50th centile for adult humans (Pharmacia Growth Services, 1993) :-
males 176 cm, 69kg ; BSA 1.84m^2
females 164cm, 57kg ; BSA 1.62m^2
3d centile
M 165cm, 52kg
F 152cm, 43kg
97th centile
M 189cm, 96kg
F 175cm, 80kg
I'd use the weight and height formulae in TNE as a crude guide. Endurance
and Dexterity/Agility should influence weight/height as well, if you're a
completist.
Robert O'Connor
Medico, Gamer
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:10:43 PST
From: [email protected] (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: [TML] Re: Smart Fabrics
In mail you write:
>>BTW, any of these "=A0" things should be deleted from the text.
>>They're typos that appear to have been inserted by Eudora.
<=><0> is mime "quoted printable encoding for "no break space"
characters. Which several editors insist on inserting in text in
various stupid places, such as where lines start with spaces.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka shadow{G})
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 05:10:56 -0400
From: "Dan Lane" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
Great info. Thanks Rob! I was hoping someone had better data! The height
data I provided came from a Navy physical readiness survey.
- -Dan Lane
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:23:44 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ian=20Cooper?= <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: heroes
Kiri:
>Actually I think knowing your tastes is THE most
important thing for
>having fun gaming.
Agreed - understanding group taste is the key to a
successful game. Are the players heroes whose actions
affect the course of events or are they trying to
survive in a harsh and unforgiving universe?
It is the old point of suspension of disbelief, at
what point do the participants start saying 'that
could never happen'.
Look at the classic action movie like Die Hard or
Speed. It is no more 'realistic' than the average D&D
game, but people who enjoy the film are willing to
accept the 'conventions' of the genre, are willing to
suspend their disbelief. Look at Star Wars, it is a
genre convention that Inperial Stromtroopers cannot
hid a barn door at 50 paces. The problem comes when
people criticise the movie on the basis that it is
'unrealistic'. That was never its objective, it was
'realistic' within the conventions of the genre it
adopted. Criticise its plot, direction, acting - fine.
But understand the conventions of the genre.
D20 is a high fantasy game - judge its success or
failure on that criteria (I still think aspects like
alignments and character classes don't work for me)
but I would hope my criticism did not come from its
genre conventions.
>I do not like low fantasy very much nor am I keen on
>the kind of Trav game where you are one step ahead of
>the repo guys. I am a high-drama kind of person.
I started on D&D but wanted more 'harsh reality', and
switched to games like Runequest. Now I guess I have
some full circle because I play Hero Wars which is
low-fantasy RQ's high-fantasy replacement. It suits
the way I play now. Maybe it is because I am older - I
no longer want to play at 'adult' reality (I get to
live that) I want to be escapist. Traveller for me now
is far more Andre Norton's Solar Queen series than the
Blade Runner it was when I was younger. It is just
taste. One is not more right than the other.
As long as our hobby has room for everyone's taste
then that is OK by me. If nothing else D20 may attract
more people to the hobby, people who may then move on
to ohter styles or conventions.
Ian Cooper
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