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TML Digest          Sunday, April 15 2001          Volume 2001 : Number 114



Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
Re: [TML] Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
Re: Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul
Re: [TML] Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul
RE: Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul
Re: [TML] Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul
Re: Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul
RE: Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul
re: Filk:  Opportunities
Smart Fabrics
Re: [TML] Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)
Re: [TML] re: Filk:  Opportunities
Re: [TML] Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:44:44 +1000
From: "Robert O'Connor" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)

Glenn Grant wrote :-
> But I'm curious; how do you measure blood oxygen
> saturation with a sensor worn outside the body? (I know next to
> nothing about medical technology.)
In essence, shine light through the skin and compare the absorption of
deoxy- and oxyhaemoglobin. The sensors need to have a sandwich of skin
between them - you could use a digit, ear lobe, or just bunch up a little
bit o'skin.

Shane Thomas wrote :-
> This is probably totally useless info, but someone may find it helpful.

This is the TML. No info is too obscure to be totally useless.
By the way, welcome to the list.

> The formula I use at work for this is:
Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a crust?


Robert O'Connor
Medico (Gas/ICU), Gamer

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:31:09 -0700
From: Douglas Berry <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)

At 09:44 PM 04/14/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Glenn Grant wrote :-
>> But I'm curious; how do you measure blood oxygen
>> saturation with a sensor worn outside the body? (I know next to
>> nothing about medical technology.)

>In essence, shine light through the skin and compare the absorption of
>deoxy- and oxyhaemoglobin. The sensors need to have a sandwich of skin
>between them - you could use a digit, ear lobe, or just bunch up a little
>bit o'skin.

Ah, I always wondered how that little clip on my finger worked.  Thanks.

Due to my several cancer-related blood disorders, this is one of those
things they check on me everytime I get a check-up.

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:40:28 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul

On 04/14/01 at 11:54 AM,  "Swordy" <[email protected]> said:

>I am happy to announce a heavily revised interface for Traveller
>Downport, a new look with fresh graphics and no JavaScript. Please
>take a moment to visit the new version at
>http://www.downport.com/traveller and compare it to the old version
>at http://www.dowmport.com/traveller.html

um...that's dowNport.com/traveller.html...you don't *really* want us to go to your old site do you? <g>

>I'd be interested in any feedback, but particularly let me know of
>any problems with the new version. I have been able to test it with
>IE5, Netscape 4.73, 800x600, 1024x768 and 1280x1024, all on Win2k.
>I did some preliminary testing with NS4.7 on FreeBSD. I'd be
>interested to hear from Linux, Apple and AOL users, and perhaps
>someone using NS6. Some versions of NS have problems with CSS, but
>that should be a minimal number of visitors.

I accessed the new version with NS 4.6 and NS 4.04 under OS/2. Everything worked okay. The new site appears a little slower to load than the old one, and the redraws on scrolling are slow enough to be quite noticeable. That's probably because you're using some sort of the fancy "wipe" display or something. <g>

Personally, I never had a problem with the old site and I'm probably using one of the older browsers and outre OS's on the list.

>You'll notice two major omissions in the new version: The "Support"
>area and the "Eaglestone Collection" are moving to a new website
>that will be launched soon, perhaps next weekend. I'll announce
>that with a big splash when it happens.

>Thanks folks!

You're welcome...and thank *you* for Downport.com

Eris
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:24:32 PST
From: [email protected] (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: [TML] Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)

In mail you write:

> At 09:44 PM 04/14/01 +1000, you wrote:
>>Glenn Grant wrote :-
>>> But I'm curious; how do you measure blood oxygen
>>> saturation with a sensor worn outside the body? (I know next to
>>> nothing about medical technology.)
>
>>In essence, shine light through the skin and compare the absorption of
>>deoxy- and oxyhaemoglobin. The sensors need to have a sandwich of skin
>>between them - you could use a digit, ear lobe, or just bunch up a little
>>bit o'skin.
>
> Ah, I always wondered how that little clip on my finger worked.  Thanks.

Actually, the "guts" of the clip are an LED and a light sensor on a
strip of plastic. When I got me sleep study down they just folded the
strip of plastic (thin, flexible "circuit board") over the end of my
finger and taped it in place. So I got to see the thing stripped to the
bare essentials.

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:21:46 -0400
From: "Swordy" <[email protected]>
Subject: Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul

I am happy to announce a heavily revised interface for Traveller Downport, a
new look with fresh graphics and no JavaScript. Please take a moment to
visit the new version at http://www.downport.com/traveller and compare it to
the old version at http://www.downport.com/traveller.html

I'd be interested in any feedback, but particularly let me know of any
problems with the new version. I have been able to test it with IE5,
Netscape 4.73, 800x600, 1024x768 and 1280x1024, all on Win2k. I did some
preliminary testing with NS4.7 on FreeBSD. I'd be interested to hear from
Linux, Apple and AOL users, and perhaps someone using NS6. Some versions of
NS have problems with CSS, but that should be a minimal number of visitors.

You'll notice two major omissions in the new version: The "Support" area and
the "Eaglestone Collection" are moving to a new website that will be
launched soon, perhaps next weekend. I'll announce that with a big splash
when it happens.

Thanks folks!
_____________________________________

       http://www.downport.com
       The Traveller Web Portal
       [email protected]

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:30:33 -0400
From: "Swordy" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul

Must be the background image... I'll see if I can lighten it some more. It
is amazing to me how far out of the game Netscape has fallen. Opera is a
better and more compliant browser than 4.7x :/

As for the old version of the site... _I_ had a lot of complaints about the
heavy use of JavaScript. The new version has only one page with JavaScript
in it, and it is a totally frivolous "comet" effect, which is only there for
the "hey! what the..?" reaction. :>

- -----Original Message-----On Behalf Of [email protected]
I accessed the new version with NS 4.6 and NS 4.04 under OS/2. Everything
worked okay. The new site appears a little slower to load than the old one,
and the redraws on scrolling are slow enough to be quite noticeable. That's
probably because you're using some sort of the fancy "wipe" display or
something. <g>

Personally, I never had a problem with the old site and I'm probably using
one of the older browsers and outre OS's on the list.

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:37:02 -0500
From: Sinbad Sam <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul

At 07:21 PM 4/14/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>I am happy to announce a heavily revised interface for Traveller Downport, a
>new look with fresh graphics and no JavaScript. Please take a moment to
>visit the new version at http://www.downport.com/traveller and compare it to
>the old version at http://www.downport.com/traveller.html
>
>I'd be interested in any feedback, but particularly let me know of any
>problems with the new version. I have been able to test it with IE5,
>Netscape 4.73, 800x600, 1024x768 and 1280x1024, all on Win2k. I did some
>preliminary testing with NS4.7 on FreeBSD. I'd be interested to hear from
>Linux, Apple and AOL users, and perhaps someone using NS6. Some versions of
>NS have problems with CSS, but that should be a minimal number of visitors.
>
>You'll notice two major omissions in the new version: The "Support" area and
>the "Eaglestone Collection" are moving to a new website that will be
>launched soon, perhaps next weekend. I'll announce that with a big splash
>when it happens.
>
>Thanks folks!

Ok Tested it with Opera 5.1 at 1024x768 under Windows ME, loads very fast
but I have a dual ISDN line. Everything looked nice and correct.

Sinbad Sam

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:42:28 -0400
From: Gordon Hundley <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul

On my birthday, at 11:54 AM, Swordy wrote:

> I am happy to announce a heavily revised interface for Traveller
> Downport, a
> new look with fresh graphics and no JavaScript. Please take a moment to
> visit the new version at http://www.downport.com/traveller and compare
> it to
> the old version at http://www.dowmport.com/traveller.html

I like it. I think it's cleaner looking. It works fine in my browser
order of preference on Mac OS X 10.0.1 (Build 4L13) OmniWeb 4.0 code
freeze 3, iCab Pre 2.4, MS IE 5.1b1 (5502), Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U;
PPC; en-US; 0.8.1), Lynx Version 2.8.4dev.7, and on Mac OS 9.1 MS IE
5.0, iCab Pre 2.4, Netscape 4.75, HotJava 3.0 and MacLynx b1 PPC (2.7.1).
In fact, I can even browse with all of the above using Classic -
simultaneously. I used to have more browsers on my system, but I think
ten simultaneous displays of your page is screen clutter enough. I don't
think any Mac users will have a problem with your site. :)

Some of the clutter is here to see:
http://www.netaxs.com/~drgoon/images/ScreenGH03.jpg

It also works fine on Netscape 4.75 on RedHat 7.0 Intel, but it's not my
machine, so I'm not going to install other browsers on it. :)

Gordon.

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:08:22 -0400
From: "Swordy" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul

That's incredible. You're a peach :) I really need to get my hands on a
machine with OS X, if just to play. What's the deal with the anti-alias
text? It's everywhere! 'scuse me while I check the budget to see if there is
room for a cube...

BTW, happy b-day!

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Gordon Hundley

Some of the clutter is here to see:
http://www.netaxs.com/~drgoon/images/ScreenGH03.jpg

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:29:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glenn Goffin <[email protected]>
Subject: re: Filk:  Opportunities

>From: Douglas Berry <[email protected]>

Nice.  We should really do some karaoke filking and record them for
posterity.  I'm not including myself in that we, by the way, as I can't
sing at all.

- --Glenn

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:31:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glenn Goffin <[email protected]>
Subject: Smart Fabrics

Glenn, thanks for the smart fabrics.  I've copied them until I have a
chance to read them in detail -- but if you're going to do a rewrite, I'll
wait to read.  Again, nice work. 

- --Glenn

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:43:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bit Dude <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] Re : Smart Fabrics (longish)

>In essence, shine light through the skin and compare...

Actually, optical backscatter could also be used - its a
non-destructive investigation technique that does no require a
'sandwich' of skin ;)

(I used in early nineties to detect bond line characteristics on
paper composite 'shells' ;D )


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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 04:37:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: AuricTech Shipyards <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] re: Filk:  Opportunities

- --- Glenn Goffin <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>From: Douglas Berry <[email protected]>
>
>Nice.  We should really do some karaoke filking and record them for
>posterity.

As an aside, I sometimes send friends "karaoke e-mails," which contain the lyrics of the song in the text, plus the MIDI file as an attachment.

ObTrav:  Nothing comes to mind....

<<snip>>

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:32:55 -0700
From: Douglas Berry <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TML] Announcement: Traveller Downport overhaul

At 07:21 PM 04/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
>I am happy to announce a heavily revised interface for Traveller Downport, a
>new look with fresh graphics and no JavaScript. Please take a moment to
>visit the new version at http://www.downport.com/traveller and compare it to
>the old version at http://www.downport.com/traveller.html

Looks good!
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http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html

"Hear the voices in my head, swear to God it
sounds like they're snoring." - Harvey Danger

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