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Traveller-digest Wednesday, December 22 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 1548
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The following topics are covered in this digest:
Re: Scumbags...
Re: [OT] War of 1812
Re Scumbags
Traveller Webrings
Football( was Re: [OT] War of 1812)
Re: American Football (was: Re: [OT] War of 1812)
Re: The Death of Q
Re: Football( was Re: [OT] War of 1812)
Re: [OT] War of 1812
Re: [OT] War of 1812
Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)
Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)
Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)
Re: technology advances
Re: [OT] War of 1812
Re: Football( was Re: [OT] War of 1812)
Re: [OT] War of 1812
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:40:13 +1100
OT: FW: moderator: America, as seen by a Canadian
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:21:13 +1000
From: "The Roc"
Subject: Re: Scumbags...
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Bradbeer
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Scumbags (was: chicks with guns, and 3I porno)
> >That's correct and was what I meant, even if I didn't express it
properly.
> >The point was that finding said weapon added greatly to the chance of a
> >successful prosecution because the police knew the scumbag had an illegal
> >weapon, and the jury had an inkling that the "defendant" couldn't be all
> >that honest if he had an illegal weapon.
>
>
> Call me ignorant (because I am, living way out of the CON US), but surely
if
> all firearms were illegal, then finding any kind of gun means you can peg
> the guy for carrying an illegal weapon. And then the jury are pretty damn
> sure the "defendant" can't be that honest.
>
Exactly right! It, according to my copper mates, has made certain issues
"less grey" in the black and whiteness of things (regarding to why he was
carrying for example).
- -- The Roc
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:28:06 +1000
From: "The Roc"
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Bradbeer
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812
> > That's right, the English invented Football . . .
> >. . . the Australians show them how to play it.
>
> I'm sure I remember somebody saying that Aussie Rules football is like a
bar
> fight. Except that in a bar fight you get to have a drink.
>
Your point being, cobber?
Oh! I get it! Nah, sometimes you just ain't thirsty... ;^)
- -- The Roc
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:13:38 -0900
From: "William F. Hostman"
Subject: Re Scumbags
>Call me ignorant (because I am, living way out of the CON US), but surely if
>all firearms were illegal, then finding any kind of gun means you can peg
>the guy for carrying an illegal weapon. And then the jury are pretty damn
>sure the "defendant" can't be that honest.
>
>Nick
Three comments on this (and both should have obvious traveller implications):
1) In the US, that would require a federal ban (which isn't likely). Due to
the Second ammendment, the gun lobby, etc, sometimes the system CAN'T
function.
2) Jury Nullification: The jury can still return a not guilty verdict, if
they felt the illegal act was justified. Happened locally on a convicted
felon with a gun. The search was all legal, etc... but the jury returned a
not guilty, even tho he feessed up that it was in fact his gun, and his
parole prohibited him having it. He needed it to hunt for food. The jury
decided his need for food nullified the criminality of his having a gun.
(He did get put away for a parole violation, however... just not more time
due to having the illegal gun.)
3) Unlawful Search and Seizure: The US Constitution (and many states'
constitutions and regulations) have specific protections in place
regaurding search protocols, and when searches can be done without a
warrant, and the admissability of items found in various types of searches,
etc. Many weapons cases are thrown out due to unlawful searches resulting
in no admissable evidence.
Ob Trav: Obviously, not all worlds will have search and seizure
restrictions; not all will have Jury Trials; not all systems with either
will actually involve evidenciary methods of guilt determination. Also,
armed shipping would require an imperial ban... not bloody likely, since
that would mean increased losses due to piracy around the fringes, and the
armed pirates would be much more of a threat to civilian shipping.
William F. Hostman | "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
interface!"
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:14:36 -0500
From: Mark Urbin
Subject: Traveller Webrings
The Deckplan Webring (17 sites)
http://users.hartwick.edu/~smithw/deckring.htm
The main Traveller Webring (153 sites)
http://waystation.hypermart.net/webring/
The Gearhead WebRing (33 sites)
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/3584/gearheadring.html
The Reavers' Deep Webring (4 sites)
http://reaversdeep.homepage.com/
Rivals of the Third Imperium Webring (3 sites)
http://freespace.virgin.net/stuart.ferris/Traveller/Rivals%20of%20the%20Thir
d%20Imperium.htm
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eclipse@ultranet.com http://www.ultranet.com/~eclipse/ Opinions Mine!
"In 1991, [Vice President] Gore cited Bush's China policy as a reason he
should be defeated for reelection, charging Bush sent his emissaries to
toast the butchers of Tiananmen Square.'"
Deborah Orin in the New York Post, March 26, 1997, the day after Gore
drank champagne with Chinese Premier Li Peng, who helped plan the
Tiananmen massacre
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:18:16 -0600
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net
Subject: Football( was Re: [OT] War of 1812)
On 12/22/99 at 01:16 AM, "Nick Bradbeer" said:
>>No you didn't, you gave them that strange game with body armour, a
>>rugby ball and commercial breaks, and basketball.
> I've always found it odd that a nation which prides itself on its
>virility feels it has to strap on forty pounds of body armour just to
>play Rugby....
Nick, we didn't wear those forty pounds of body armor when American
Football was young. No helmets, no padding. After 18 young men died on
college football fields during one season early this century people
started agitating for the colleges to either ban the game or make it more
safe. First helmets, then pads, then face guards, more pads, until you
get up to the 40 pounds of armor.
This makes American football more safe than rugby? This fall dozens of
young men suffered broken arms, legs, wreaked knees and suffered
concussions playing football here in my local area. One 16 year old died
during football practice, another is parapelgic. Multiply that by several
thousand other communities across America. Every year college athletes
suffer crippling injuries, some cause lifetime disabilities. For
professionals, concussions, temporary paralysis (there are "stingers" in
almost every game now),
compressed and fractured vertebra, fractures in hands, feet, arms and
legs, broken ribs, ligament and cartilage damage and the threat of
quadrapelgia are a constant threat throughout their careers. If they play
a whole career crippling disability almost a certainty before they reach
middle age.
So, is football with its 40 pounds of armor safer than rugby? Maybe it
is, I don't know the injury statistics for rugby, but in this case safe is
certainly relative.
Ob Traveller...IMTU gravball is more akin to handball than anything else,
ie non-contact. I think most folks run it a little
differently. What other games are popular in YTU's?
Eris
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eris@pcola.gulf.net using MR/2 ICE #245
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:31:00 -0600
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net
Subject: Re: American Football (was: Re: [OT] War of 1812)
On 12/21/99 at 09:21 PM, Black ICE said:
>OTOH, given that the United States have a population of over 250 million,
>of whom about 2000 play American football at the professional level, it
>makes sense to armor said players, in order to keep from breaking them.
>After all, some of those players are paid several million dollars (US)
>each year. Armoring the players is a reasonable way to protect that kind
>of investment.
>Given that concept, it also makes sense to armor those high-school and
>college students who have a chance to ascend to that 2000-player plateau
>of professional football.
In some cases the padding is more of a weapon than a protection, but
without it I know we'd be looking at multiple deaths every week. I'm not
exaggerating either. When a 100 kg man runs full speed into several 150
kg men people are going to get hurt...badly.
Eris
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eris@pcola.gulf.net using MR/2 ICE #245
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:32:13 -0500
From: "Josh W. Spencer"
Subject: Re: The Death of Q
On 12/21/1999 21:31, David J. Golden wrote:
> At 05:49 pm 12/21/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> From: David J. Golden
>>
>>> Aargh! I missed that ... you realize this means they're not
> allowed
>>> to make any more Bond movies. Not that the recent ones really count
>>> anyway (gag).
>>
>>
>> I liked the recent one & they do have a replacement for Q
> waiting on the
>> wings.
>
> Yes, but he won't be *Q*. There has always been just one Q--007 may
> come and go, as well as M, Moneypenney, and just about everybody
> else, but Q is a constant ...
That's right. R is played by none other than JOHN CLEESE and he was Q's
protege in "The World Is Not Enough." Turns out R is even worse of a bumbler
than Q ever was in his earlier days.
Yeah, I'll miss Q too. "Pay Attention 007!"
- --
Josh
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:35:48 -0500
From: "Josh W. Spencer"
Subject: Re: Football( was Re: [OT] War of 1812)
On 12/21/1999 23:18, eris@pcola.gulf.net wrote:
> On 12/22/99 at 01:16 AM, "Nick Bradbeer" said:
>
>>> No you didn't, you gave them that strange game with body armour, a
>>> rugby ball and commercial breaks, and basketball.
>
>> I've always found it odd that a nation which prides itself on its
>> virility feels it has to strap on forty pounds of body armour just to
>> play Rugby....
>
> Nick, we didn't wear those forty pounds of body armor when American
> Football was young. No helmets, no padding. After 18 young men died on
> college football fields during one season early this century people
> started agitating for the colleges to either ban the game or make it more
> safe. First helmets, then pads, then face guards, more pads, until you
> get up to the 40 pounds of armor.
>
> This makes American football more safe than rugby? This fall dozens of
> young men suffered broken arms, legs, wreaked knees and suffered
> concussions playing football here in my local area. One 16 year old died
> during football practice, another is parapelgic. Multiply that by several
> thousand other communities across America. Every year college athletes
> suffer crippling injuries, some cause lifetime disabilities. For
> professionals, concussions, temporary paralysis (there are "stingers" in
> almost every game now),
> compressed and fractured vertebra, fractures in hands, feet, arms and
> legs, broken ribs, ligament and cartilage damage and the threat of
> quadrapelgia are a constant threat throughout their careers. If they play
> a whole career crippling disability almost a certainty before they reach
> middle age.
>
> So, is football with its 40 pounds of armor safer than rugby? Maybe it
> is, I don't know the injury statistics for rugby, but in this case safe is
> certainly relative.
The only thing missing from the opening ceremonial coin toss are the Roman
salute and the uttering, "We who are about to die salute you!" Given the
success of the NFL's American Bowl series, its sponsorship of the CFL, and
the NFL Europe League, I predict that within 20 years, you'll see NFL teams
franchised outside the United States.
- --
Josh
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:37:41 -0500
From: "Chris Seamans"
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812
From: cos 90
> That's just what we *want* you to believe.
Yeah, you folks up north have it all figured out, don't you? You just wait.
Some of us down here are wise to your plot.
> Here's more proof: The godfather of the Canadian contingent
>working in the US entertainment industry was Lorne Greene. Now, if
>you are not a US Citizen and want to work in the US, you need a
>document called a "Greene Card".
>
> Coincidence???
>
> Bwa-ha-ha and all that.
While Lorne Greene is mighty, and such a practice would be a fitting
tribute, your theory is unfortunately false. The truth is that the American
government spent a long time trying to come up with the proper color for
such a card. Red was considered, but quickly discarded as it was a commie
color. White was also considered, but white is the color of the lily, and
nobody wanted to associate America with lily-livered cowardice or the white
flag of surrender. They thought about blue for a while. It was almost the
Blue Card. Sadly, nobody could think of anything that was actually blue
though. As it turns out, due to rampant pollution our sea and skies were
turned a nasty brownish color.
So, they finally settled on green, the color of American money. Let's face
it. American money is what *everybody* wants. It's why they leave the safety
of their pinko-communist countries and come here!
> ObTrav: is there much cultural exchange between Imperial Space
>and Solomani Space? Do people in the Solomani Confederacy
>watch television shows from the Imperium (or vice versa)? Or
>movies?
In my Traveller universe that would be a big *yes*. The Solomani might be
able to come up with mean genetic modifications, but they can't come up with
Tom Jetland: High Passage.
*Everybody* watches the Tom Jetland movies.
Except the artsy types who watch those pansy movies like "Lady Jaenshi's
Holiday" or "Dresden's Decision", but they don't count.
A big shiny TML "No-Prize" to anyone who knows the two in-jokes which are
encoded in the movie titles above.
ObObTrav: Does anyone else pepper their Traveller universes with all manner
of in-jokes that nobody will ever get?
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:46:57 -0500
From: "David J. Golden"
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812
At 02:43 am 12/22/99 -0000, you wrote:
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SD Mooney
>To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
>Date: 22 December 1999 00:54
>Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812
>
>
>>At 16:52 -0500 21/12/99, "Wayne Ewart" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Don't forget we gave you football and basketball
>>
>>No you didn't, you gave them that strange game with body armour, a
>>rugby ball and commercial breaks, and basketball.
>>
>>*We* (the UK) gave them football, which is always played with a
round
>>ball, 22 men and a referee, in halves.
>
>
>Eeeeewww... Icky!
I agree ... splitting the referee in halves makes a mess all over ...
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:53:37 -0500
From: "Chris Seamans"
Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)
From: Charles Collin
> BTW, I only skimmed the thread on Zhodani and Vilani races, but it
>occurs to me that just about every pic I've seen of either of these
>groups portrays a white person. Did they have suns with lower UV
>or something? Or do we just have to accept that it's a
>marketing/artist's bias kinda thing? Actually, the latter seems like
>the necessary explanation, as most Solomani are portrayed as white
>also...
Sci-fi is, as a general rule, awfully white. Roleplaying is, as a general
rule, awfully white. The vast majority of drawings in roleplaying materials
are, as a general rule, awfully white.
Stop me before I go into the Darth Vader speech from Chasing Amy.
Suffice to say, I'd go with the second explanation.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:04:59 -0500
From: "Chris Seamans"
Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)
From: Kenji Schwarz
> Well, this is *Traveller*, and you're on the TML, so there's only one
>real answer: white people have an evolutionary advantage, and other
>races just *naturally* became extinct. What else explains it?
Kenji, you always inject sanity, intelligence and good old-fashioned common
sense.
> Wondering if a race war on the TML would be more interesting than
>a guns & Yanks flamewar.
Only if I can work Yul Brynner into the discussion at one point or another.
I probably can. Yul was a very versatile actor. At one point he played the
King of Siam, and at another point he played an Indian chief. Yul was the
Man of a Thousand Races.
So, yeah, I'm up for a race war!
ObTrav: The Solomani movement as a cryptic, albeit heavy-handed metaphor for
the White Supremacy movement.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:21:50 +1100
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie"
Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)
>> BTW, I only skimmed the thread on Zhodani and Vilani races, but it
>>occurs to me that just about every pic I've seen of either of these
>>groups portrays a white person. Did they have suns with lower UV
>>or something? Or do we just have to accept that it's a
>>marketing/artist's bias kinda thing? Actually, the latter seems like
>>the necessary explanation, as most Solomani are portrayed as white
>>also...
>
>Sci-fi is, as a general rule, awfully white. Roleplaying is, as a general
>rule, awfully white. The vast majority of drawings in roleplaying materials
>are, as a general rule, awfully white.
>Stop me before I go into the Darth Vader speech from Chasing Amy.
>Suffice to say, I'd go with the second explanation.
It's the Barbie Doll Theory, they make one in a colour to suit you. I'm
sure Japanese RPGers see the majority of the races as asian and Nigerian
players see them as African. It doesn't matter what the illustrations are,
it's in your mind.
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:07:42 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: technology advances
In mail you write:
>> Being that this list isn't XXX rated, and most of you *really* don't
>> want to know, I'll refrain from listing any possiblitities.
>
> Oh, come on, Leonard -- this isn't an *entertainment* list, either; it's
> *science*. Inquiring minds and stuff like that. It's all about the
> search for truth and technical advantage.
Sorry, but it'll take more than that for me to risk permanently
squicking members of the list.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:04:26 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812
In mail you write:
> Don't forget we gave you football and basketball
Shhh! We're trying to get them to forget that!
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:30:49 +1100
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie"
Subject: Re: Football( was Re: [OT] War of 1812)
>This makes American football more safe than rugby? This fall dozens of
>young men suffered broken arms, legs, wreaked knees and suffered
>concussions playing football here in my local area. One 16 year old died
>during football practice, another is parapelgic. Multiply that by several
>thousand other communities across America. Every year college athletes
>suffer crippling injuries, some cause lifetime disabilities. For
>professionals, concussions, temporary paralysis (there are "stingers" in
>almost every game now),
>compressed and fractured vertebra, fractures in hands, feet, arms and
>legs, broken ribs, ligament and cartilage damage and the threat of
>quadrapelgia are a constant threat throughout their careers. If they play
>a whole career crippling disability almost a certainty before they reach
>middle age.
>
>So, is football with its 40 pounds of armor safer than rugby? Maybe it
>is, I don't know the injury statistics for rugby, but in this case safe is
>certainly relative.
>Eris
Actually, we (Rugby) don't slam into each other any more, or they're not
supposed to. They've altered the rules drastically in favour of safety and a
good thing I'd have to say. In Gridiron the player's crunch into each other
frontally in a way that would get you suspended in Rugby, that and the fact
that Rugby tackles only occur if your holding the ball so your not liable to
be flattened from "Out-left-field" because your ready for it.
One of the best days I've ever had was watching the NSW Gridiron team
get slaughtered by Iowa (State College I think), there was more Americans on
the field than Australians in the stands but we still had a great time.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:29:26 -0500
From: "Chris Seamans"
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812
From: Trevor, Peter
> Chris Seamans wrote:
> >
>
> Ooh, flamebait!
Yeah, I'm an American, I eat fire for *breakfast*!
>
>
> Question: how much of the American entertainment industry is
> American?
All the parts that count!
> Hmmm ... we've already had a list of non-American actors posing
>as Americans (could probably add others).
Yeah, *posing* as Americans! In America, we call them *wannabes*. We go to
Jim Carrey movies and say, "Hahaha! Look at the crazy Canadian trying to be
an American."
Okay. Not all of us do that, just most of us... alright, *some* of us.
Oh. I think that's just me.
> Location shots when not by that rock in California: X-Files is
> shot mainly in Canada,
Yeah, but Chris Carter wanted to move the show to California to be closer to
his love interest.
>Earth 2 (well I liked it) was shot in Mexico I think, Matrix shot in
>Australia.
It's the American way to shoot movies where they're nice and cheap to shoot.
Sheesh. Most of Escape from New York was shot on the streets of St. Louis!
Yeah, that's right, over in France!
> Studios: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Aliens, ... shot in UK.
That's because those films all took place in England. Geez!
> Seems like the "American" entertainment industry is really a
> global entertainment industry that packages itself as American to
> get around the average American's stunted education. See recent
> TML thread about people thinking "Saving Private Ryan" was a
> Vietnam War film and the bad guys were Japs,
See the thread? SEE the thread? I lived it! That was *my* post!
Interestingly enough when Rambo: First Blood Part II was released in some
Asian markets the script was changed. As it turns out Rambo was saving POWs
from the Japanese in World War II. So... um... it can work in reverse! In
the African market they didn't even bother to translate it. It did amazingly
well among on that continent despite the language barrier.
There's an ObTrav (an Obvious Traveller reference) in there.
>James Bond film "Licence Revoked" was renamed "Licence To
>Kill" cos most Americans asked don't know what 'revoked' means,
Nah, that's because most people would think it was a *driving* movie!
Besides, we in America are *all about* killing. We all carry our licenses to
kill in our wallets, for crying out loud! 007 is much cooler when he's
killing people than when he's driving without a license.
Sheesh.
>"The Madness Of King George III" was renamed "The Madness Of
>King George" cos most Americans asked said they wouldn't see it
>before seeing the first two films
That's not actually *true*... is it?
(In all seriousness, I do remember reading about that. The studio claimed
they did no such survey, and they wouldn't have cared to do it. They cited
another reason for the name change, which I forget. They obviously changed
their story because they feared the collective rage of America when their
national pride was challenged.)
> ... I could go on.
Yeah, and so could I... and that's scary. Let's just call it a draw, shall
we?
> Regards PLST
> (Appologies if anyone offended, was ment in jest.)
Yeah, you say that now. My apologies, I just got back from Christmas
shopping and I lugged around an obscenely expensive big hunk of stone in the
shape of an angel (a perfect near-c rock candidate) for hours. I'm surly and
sore.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:40:13 +1100
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie"
Subject: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:40:13 +1100
http://www.theonion.com/onion3121/billgates.html
Damn I hate Munchkin players!
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:04:24 -0500
From: "Walter G. Smith"
Subject: OT: FW: moderator: America, as seen by a Canadian
I got this from my brother, and it seemed interesting considering the
current War of 1812 OT-isness.
No, there isn't an ObTrav on it. I'll post some on-topic stuff later, I
promise...
Walt Smith
- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe Gilbreth [SMTP:jgilbreth@prodigy.net]
Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 6:39 PM
To: Moderator WP-ORG
Cc: Louis Michael; Jay Willis; Lew Casbon; John Maurer
Subject: moderator: America, as seen by a Canadian
This was posted to the '49 list by John Maurer '49.
Joe Gilbreth '49
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AMERICA
This comes from a Canadian newspaper about America. A remarkable
editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian
television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant
remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the
most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the
earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted
out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of
dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is
today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United
States. When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and
swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that
hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened
by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy
pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers
in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering
Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating
over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.
Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing
Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas 10? If so, why don't
they fly them? Why do all the International Airlines except Russia fly
American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
a man or woman on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about
German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American
technocracy, and you find men on the moon-not once, but several
times-and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans
put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even
their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our
streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are
getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
When the railways of France, Germany & India were breaking down through
age, it was the American who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania
Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old
caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the
Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me
even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I
don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco
earthquake.
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned
tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this
thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to
thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present
troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those. Stand proud, Americans!"
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