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Traveller-digest Saturday, December 25 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 1579
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The following topics are covered in this digest:
Re: Geog
Re: Highly Heretical TU idea
Re: 3I Sports
Re: The US and Treaty Obligations (was: Re: England)
[none]
Drawing Program
TEXAS
Re: TEXAS
Re: TEXAS
not really Re: technology advances
Re: Highly Heretical TU idea
Re: England
Re: Highly Heretical TU idea
England, Treaty Obligations et al
Re: England
Re: Drawing Program
Re: Drawing Program
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy
Re: [OT] War of 1812
Re: Canada (with an ObTrav)>
Re: Christmas and snow.
Re: Santa in the 3rd Imperium?
Re: Drawing Program
Re: Highly Heretical TU idea
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 01:35:56 -0600
From: "Thomas Vickers"
Subject: Re: Geog
Spain, France, Mexico, Texas, United States, Confederate States Of America,
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"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside
of everyone, is sacred somewhere. There's a deity out
there who digs it. You can respect and love your darkest
side, disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.
It's all about giving yourself permission."
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From: Leonard Erickson
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
Date: Saturday, December 25, 1999 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: Geog
>In mail you write:
>
>>>>They should know what the six flags over Texas are, and why they are
>>>>important.
>>>
>>>"Cause dude! That's where the roller coasters are!!!"
>>
>> Try the six constituent states of the Republic of Tejas.
>
>Huh? I've never been in Texas, but what I'd always been told was that
>it was the six different flags that have flown over the place. Starting
>with the Spanish, then Mexican, Repulic of Texas, US, Confederate, and
>US again (or something like that).
>
>--
>Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
> shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
>leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 21:01:25 +1300
From: "Frank Pitt"
Subject: Re: Highly Heretical TU idea
> *Could* the BG background be salavaged from all the bad science and
> worse writing and turned into a campaign?
I don't see why not, the idea is cute, a refugee fleet, being pursued by the
enemy.
As long as the cute kid and the dog get killed in the first episode.
Frankie
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 21:13:04 +1300
From: "Frank Pitt"
Subject: Re: 3I Sports
> On Fri, 24 Dec 1999, Frank Pitt wrote:
>
> > The fun thing about 'Shockwave Rider' is that Brunner predicted computer
> > viruses, before they actually existed (though it may have been close,
when
> > was the Internet Worm released ?), he just got the _name_ wrong, calling
> > them "phages", which I believe may be a much more biologically accurate
> > description.
>
> Well, the Internet Worm was in 1988, but computer viruses existed ong
> before that. An article I read a long time ago in Scientific American
> about computer viruses, described one written on an Apple II, designed to
> spread under DOS 3.3 (Apple DOS 3.3 no relation to MS DOS anything) which
> would date it to the late 70's early 80's.
>
> PC Virii existed before then, as well.
"Shockwave Rider" is copyright 1975, I knew it was before PC's, but I had a
feeling the Internet worm was mid-seventies, or maybe I'm thinking of
something else.
Frankie
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 21:33:37 +1300
From: "Frank Pitt"
Subject: Re: The US and Treaty Obligations (was: Re: England)
> Hey, the government of El Salvador _wanted_ our advisors!
True, sorry, I got the name of that Oliver Stone movie in my head for some
reason.
> (You may be thinking of US support of the Contras in Nicaragua.
Yeah that's the one, I was thinking Sandinista - El Salvador for some
reason.
Not that the Sandinista's were neccessarily nice people, but they were the
elected government
> And Columbia is a city in Missouri! AFAIK, the Federal government has
> no _treaty_ obligations with Missouri.
But that didn't stop them from invading it !
Frankie
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 23:30:15 -0900
From: "William F. Hostman"
Subject: [none]
>>>>They should know what the six flags over Texas are, and why they are
>>>>important.
>>>
>>>"Cause dude! That's where the roller coasters are!!!"
>>
>> Try the six constituent states of the Republic of Tejas.
>
>Huh? I've never been in Texas, but what I'd always been told was that
>it was the six different flags that have flown over the place. Starting
>with the Spanish, then Mexican, Repulic of Texas, US, Confederate, and
>US again (or something like that).
Texas was never a member of the confederacy. I was taught in my degree
program (in 2 different classes, by different instructors) that texas was
allowed to seceed from the union by congress, about a year before the
confederacy did. They maintained separate nation status, and merely ALLIED
with the confederacy. Texas (formerly Tejas) rejoined the union by treaty,
rather than by being conquered... even so, the US IMPOSED the treaty of
reunion. It did grant them permission to separate into it's siz constituent
states by local referendum, if they ever choose to do so. I've read a copy
of the treaty of reunion, but I don't have a copy myself... Twice Texas was
its own country... Post Mexican, and during the US Civil War.
As for the Six flags over texas, I don't honestly know the deal there...
but I know the RoT had six states...
Alaskan's love the Texas treaty of reunion... It also provides that they
may seceed from the union, by some sepcified public majority. The Alaska
State Constitution also provides for a right to seceed, at least as
submitted to the US Gov't. Congress line-itemed it out. So the State's copy
shows that clause; copies from the congressional records don't show it.
Hmm... Can't think of an ObTrav... at least not one that isn't either flame
bait, or having been hased out to a draw several times. Like, how hard is
it to seceed from the 3i?
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 02:29:59 -0600
From: Alex Ingram
Subject: Drawing Program
I use EPS (Encapulated PostScript) format for all my vectored illustration
output. It's the standard format for print publishing and it works with all
the mid to high end packages like Illustrator, Freehand and CorelDraw. I
only use GIF and PNG (which are raster image formats, not vector) for web
graphics. I didn't know that anyone still used CGM anymore.
Alex Ingram
Jim & Peta Lawrie wrote:
> >If the color set is small use GIF files. If it's more than 256, use PNG
> >files.
> >And for vector files, CGM files are probably the most portable. I know
> >Corel can handle them.
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 03:19:39 -0600
From: "Thomas Vickers"
Subject: TEXAS
>Texas was never a member of the confederacy.
Wrongo. Texas was a member of the confederacy. Every elected office had to
take an oath of Allegiance to the confederacy. Sam Houston refused and was
removed from Office. Lincoln offered federal troops to keep Houston in
office, but he said NO. He was elected by the people and and if the people
didn't want him in office, he would go.
He also warned that a Civil War would not be short and glorious, but LONG
and Brutal with the North winning. Old Sam was pretty smart.
I was taught in my degree
>program (in 2 different classes, by different instructors) that texas was
>allowed to seceed from the union by congress, about a year before the
>confederacy did.
Wrongo again. Texas was the 11 or 12th state to seceed. Governor Houston
fought against it and was eventually politically out maneuevered on the
issue. The anti-secession delegates to the secession conference didn't show
as a sign of protest. Amazingly enough it was a unanimous decision.
They maintained separate nation status, and merely ALLIED
>with the confederacy. Texas (formerly Tejas) rejoined the union by treaty,
>rather than by being conquered... even so, the US IMPOSED the treaty of
>reunion. It did grant them permission to separate into it's siz constituent
>states by local referendum, if they ever choose to do so. I've read a copy
>of the treaty of reunion, but I don't have a copy myself... Twice Texas was
>its own country... Post Mexican, and during the US Civil War.
Wrong. Texas was a republic from 1836 till 1845 and NEVER AGAIN. Now, when
we joined in 1845 we got a sweet deal. As for Tejas, we weren't called
that since the Mexican days. Its a Caddo word meaning friend :0
Texas can still legally divide itself into five states if it chooses, but
the idea behind that was the size. In 1845 Texas was considered too big for
a state, so they were given the option to subdivide. Just think how 10 Texas
senators would screw up the Senate as opposed to 2 :)
>
>As for the Six flags over texas, I don't honestly know the deal there...
>but I know the RoT had six states...
The RoT had no states. It was one big place. Never subdivided, except into
counties.
The six flags though are Spain, France, Mexico, Texas, US, Confederacy.
>
>Alaskan's love the Texas treaty of reunion... It also provides that they
>may seceed from the union, by some sepcified public majority. The Alaska
>State Constitution also provides for a right to seceed, at least as
>submitted to the US Gov't. Congress line-itemed it out. So the State's copy
>shows that clause; copies from the congressional records don't show it.
Wrong again. The Civil War proved once and for all that NO state has the
legal right to leave the union.
Now if need be I can document my answers, cuz I TEACH TEXAS HISTORY :)
I have plenty of books, documents etc..
Thomas
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 03:23:31 -0600
From: "Thomas Vickers"
Subject: Re: TEXAS
Lets not forget that the last battle of the civil war was fought in Texas,
nearly a month after Appomattox :)
Word travelled slow in those days, but it was a Confederate Victory as I
recall.
TV
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 02:41:36 -0700
From: "Legate Legion"
Subject: Re: TEXAS
From: Thomas Vickers
>Lets not forget that the last battle of the civil war was fought in Texas,
>nearly a month after Appomattox :)
>
>Word travelled slow in those days, but it was a Confederate Victory as I
>recall.
>
No, that would be in Arizona, not Texas. And, it was a Union Victory,
not southern.
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killing all those who opposed them
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 04:54:34 EST
From: GypsyComet@aol.com
Subject: not really Re: technology advances
>Obviously you didin't follow the entire context of the remark. He was
>just cursing a Blue Streak....
...and what did this Blue Streak do to warrant being cursed at?
GC
...and just who is this Tuke' that people keep pleading to as if they had a
deadline?
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 02:01:20 -0800
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)
Subject: Re: Highly Heretical TU idea
>From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
>Subject: Highly Heretical TU idea
>
>For lack of anything better to use as background noise, I was watching
>the Battlestar Galactica marathon on the Sci-Fi channel earlier today.
>And I had a silly thought.
>
>*Could* the BG background be salavaged from all the bad science and
>worse writing and turned into a campaign?
Probably easier than Trek or Star Wars, but it still might fall under
the category of "abominations...man was not meant to kniow ".
IIRC, there's a bunch of neat BG stuff at/linked to:
www.ChrisPappas.com
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 02:06:18 -0800
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)
Subject: Re: England
>From: "Frank Pitt"
>Subject: Re: England
...
>The US _also_ had a treaty obligation to provide military assistance to the
>UK when Argentina invaded the Falklands, and Thatcher kept reminding Reagan
>of that.
Continually reminding him was only a good idea, what with encroaching
senility and all :) (hmm, a Thatcher-oid as leader of a small polity -
say, Vargr, or really traumatize YTU by installing a new regime in the
Sword Worlds :> ).
>Not that the US cares about those upholding treaties when it really wants to
>act, as can be seen from the Bay of Pigs, to the invasion of Grenada, and
>it's actions in Columbia, Venezuala, Chile, and El Salvador.
You make it sound like there's some kind of pattern there :>
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:07:51 EST
From: GypsyComet@aol.com
Subject: Re: Highly Heretical TU idea
Leonard Erickson asks:
>For lack of anything better to use as background noise, I was watching
>the Battlestar Galactica marathon on the Sci-Fi channel earlier today.
>And I had a silly thought.
>
>*Could* the BG background be salavaged from all the bad science and
>worse writing and turned into a campaign?
The basic (sans BG details) plotline is quite useable. It's been running
around in my head as a Mekton campaign for many years (I even ran the first
session; imagine the looks on my players faces as I describe the burning of
the planetary surface they were just on...).
Using the BG background while stripping the sillier science-suspension out
is also quite easy, and could even be part of the TU. You (the Ref, that is)
just treat the "lost colony called Earth" story as the version of
history/legend that these people were taught (and will soon discover is
false), while placing the Twelve far to rimward of Solomani space.
GC
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:59:52 +1300
From: "Andrew Moffatt-Vallance"
Subject: England, Treaty Obligations et al
Okay, now I'm as guilty as anyone of keeping this tread going. But
can we all please drop this. It has strayed so far off topic it isn't funny
(if it ever was on topic in the first place). How about we all just agree
that there were in fact 50 million undoubted lossers in the 2nd World
War.
Andrew etc
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 11:03:24 +0000
From: Martin Hardgrave
Subject: Re: England
In message <007f01bf4dee$d697efe0$f5a754ce@thelambs>, "Jason T.
Barnabas" writes
>Needless to say, Guam is not one of the united States, it
>is a territory. Are you saying that the Channel Islands are
>a British territory or should I say a territory of the United
>Kingdom?
The Channel Islands elect no members to the parliament of the United
Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. They are not part of the
UKoGBaNI. They are a dependent territory of the British Crown.
- --
Martin Hardgrave
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 23:46:28 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Drawing Program
In mail you write:
> I really think Amiga could have been a much more powerful, robust and stable
> machine than the others out there. You can't tell me Gates and his cronies
> couldn't see what a threat this was and not do something to forestall it.
> Who would want a crummy Windows PC with its limitations when you can have 10
> times the machine and a more stable operating system?
Anybody who had too much money invested in software that ran on the old
OS and hardware.
That's why OS/2 was a *much* more credible threat to MS. It ran on the
same hardware and would run existing software as well OR BETTER.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 23:51:17 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Drawing Program
In mail you write:
>>Now you know why I went Linux.
>
> Sorry, but Linux just isn't ready as a prime-time user operating
> system. Expert's 'toy,' powerserver, dedicated box, yes. But Joe
> Public won't give it the time of day. And yes, I am slowly learning
> Linux, with the goal of using it as a server and firewall. But I
> don't expect to drop Winblows for a while, because I still need to be
> able to get work done, and there's just too steep a learning curve to
> Linux.
I might have agreed with you before this year. Hell, maybe even 6
months ago. After all, Unix in one form or another has been the
"coming OS revolution" since at *least* 1980 (when Tandy was selling a
fairly decent Xenix system).
What changed my mind? Hearing that *CostCo* was selling Linux...
It may take a few more years, but Linux has made the critical
breakthrough. It's being sold via a mass market *consumer* outlet.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 00:04:49 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy
In mail you write:
>> I don't know...one of the earliest known writing samples is allegedly
>> something along the lines of "Oh what is this younger generation coming
>> to?"...a few _thousand_ BC...;-)
>
> I didn't know this. But it certainly seems to be sequiter.
From my Quotes file:
" The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption
abound. Children no longer obey their parents, every
man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the
end of the world is fast approaching."
- Assyrian Tablet, c.2800 BC
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
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leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 00:06:52 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812
In mail you write:
> On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Glenn Goffin wrote:
>
>> >From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie"
>>
>> >Ahhh, the famous "Red Herring" class. Built at Snark
>> >enterprises using the best Maguffin drives. I
>> >especially like the "Goose Pursuit" model.
>>
>> Let's not forget the Snipe Hunt class small craft.
>
> I have a sketched out TNE campaign based around the free trader 'Dace'
>
> "...a threeee hour tour, a threee hour tour..." ;-)
A good alias for an NPC is Takhallus. It's Arabic for "pseudonym" or
"penname". There was an author writting for Analog who used it as his
pen-name for a while. :-)
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 00:15:30 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Canada (with an ObTrav)>
In mail you write:
> From: Robert Prior
>
>>I remember being surprised, when I started studying
>>Canadian history (on my own, not the school
>>curriculum) at how militaristic Canada is, in (how
>>else) a quiet way.
>
>>I haven't yet found a really good explanation for
>>this apparent contradiction: apparent pacifism with
>>demonstrated militarism. I suspect that two
>>significant factors are (a) a view of war as a dirty
>>and dangerous job that needs doing, rather than an
>>adventure, and
It's quite simple. Canada is not, and never has been, *pacifist*. That
is, Canadians don't believe that fighting and s\use of force are
inherently wrong.
Instead, they believe in *maintaining the peace*, even if this means
using force to deal with those who would disturb it.
> In addition, military preparedness is one factor in
> ensuring peace, hardly a militaristic goal. Canada
> also seems to have a commitment to participating in
> the world of which it is part (unlike the USA, which
> fluctuates between isolationism and bullying), and
> military activities are part of that.
See my comments above.
> The Darrians also provide a lot of forces. Fifth
> Frontier War includes a TL-16 mercenary unit, which in
> my Traveller universe is a Darrian unit lent to the
> Imperium.
This would be somewhat akin to having a "Gulf War" TL unit available in
Vietnam, or a Vietnam era TL unit available in the Korean war.
Not "Buck Rogers" tech, but something that'd *really* make a difference
in the situations where you were able to *use* the unit. Just consider
a few Cobras, Puff the Magic Dragon (the DC-3 with a door mounted
Vulcan) or the occasional ARClight strike would have done in Korea. :-)
Personally, I find 2-3 TL differences "more fun". The tech isn't
"magic", but it's just plain out of reach of the low TL side. Things
like the Luftwaffe trying to handle SR-71 and B-52 attacks. :-)
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 00:35:19 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Christmas and snow.
In mail you write:
> dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au wrote:
>>
> <>
>>
>> Wimps the lot of ya! Its not christmas without heatstroke! Then again, it
> never
>> snows here in Sydney during winter, so what chance have we got for a white
>> christmas?
Import a bunch of the Snow machines they use on some ski slopes. :-)
>> ObTRAV: A cultural event from one world is celebrated on another world,
>> with
>> stange/funny results. example , running naked in a Tainted atmosphere or
>> whatever.
Actually, any cultural event based on a non-local calendar will be a
problem. Keep in mind the fact that the years don't have to differ by
much for "date creep" to happen. And after a few thousand years, you
wind up celebrating in the wrong season.
- --
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 00:41:37 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Santa in the 3rd Imperium?
In mail you write:
> HOW in the universe does Santa manage the logistics of such a vast
> empire??? I have enough trouble figuring out how he covers 20th
> century Terra.
Simple. If you can achieve near-c velocities "easily", you can use Jump
to travel in time.
Alternatively, the Zhodani would *kill* to learn how Santa does
interstellar teleports. (Which explains the fighter escort).
- --
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 23:43:42 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Drawing Program
In mail you write:
> Actually, non-infringing GIF routines do exist.
>
> I was just reading one of the readmes that came with mayura draw:
> quote: (Programmers, check 'em out!)
> * The miGIF compression routines do not, strictly speaking, generate
> files
> * conforming to the GIF spec, since the image data is not LZW-compressed
> * (this is the point: in order to avoid transgression of the Unisys
> patent
> * on the LZW algorithm.) However, miGIF generates data streams that any
> * reasonably sane LZW decompresser will decompress to what we want.
I hope they've checked with a patent lawyer. Patent law is *weird*. If
Unisys wrote their "claims" properly, it's actually possible that the
above routines *are* infringing!
- --
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 04:42:12 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Highly Heretical TU idea
In mail you write:
>>From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
>>Subject: Highly Heretical TU idea
>>
>>For lack of anything better to use as background noise, I was watching
>>the Battlestar Galactica marathon on the Sci-Fi channel earlier today.
>>And I had a silly thought.
>>
>>*Could* the BG background be salavaged from all the bad science and
>>worse writing and turned into a campaign?
>
> Probably easier than Trek or Star Wars, but it still might fall under
> the category of "abominations...man was not meant to kniow ".
I've got it! They are the survivors of a "minor human race" that had
been on the far side of K'kree space. And they are trying to find
Earth, while fighting ther way through the K'kree who, (quite
naturally) want to wipe them from the Universe.
Either that, or place them on the far side of "Cylon space" which is on
the far side of Vargr space. It just doesn't feel right to have them
beyond the Solomani or Zhodani. The Aslan don't feel right either. And
let's not even *think* about the Hivers. But the Vargr are sufficiently
disorganized that it'd take a long time for anything to be noticed,
much less get back to the Imperium.
Keep the "rag-tag fleet". But either make them all (barely) jump
capable, or include a lot of patched together ???? (what do you call
the ships that carry battel riders thru jump? I forget). Possibly
kludged together out of salvaged jump units from the destroyed
Battlestars and other *big* ships. With the result that they have next
to *no* manueverability in normal space.
And for what it's worth, this lets you keep that episode where they
picked up the signal from Earth. At that point they need to be about
1100 parsecs from Earth (assuming they are contemporary with the 3rd
Imperium). Call it 30 sectors. Lots of room for Cylons, and other
unknown civilizations, as well as lots of "empty" areas.
You *would* have to throw out "the great void", as it was *utter*
nonsense, unless it was a dark nebula of some sort.
For *real* fun combine the "back story" of the Ancient Astronauts who
had something to do with Egypt 5000 years back and came from Cobol,
with the Grandfather stuff. So we have TL 20 or so relics from them
popping up, too.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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