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Traveller-digest Friday, December 17 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 1517
(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.
All rights reserved.
The following topics are covered in this digest:
Re: 7 Wonders of Charted Space
Re: Online Bible (KJV)
Re: 7 Wonders of Charted Space
Starfield backgrounds and Traveller Miniatures
RE: chicks with guns, and 3I porno
Re:
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
Re: Barrelcrahs
Re: Ethnic Confusions
Re: Marines & Cutlasses
RE: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
Re: 7 Wonders of Charted Space
Re: 7 Wonders of Charted Space
Re: 7 Wonders of Charted Space
[OT] Firearms Discussions (long)
RE: Canonicy of YTU
RE: Canonicy of YTU
[BITS] North American Stock Info
re: Paul S.Cargonaut
Re: [OT] Firearms Discussions (long)
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:23:16 -0700
From: Bruce Johnson
Subject: Re: 7 Wonders of Charted Space
Swordy (Colin Michael) wrote:
>
> Nominations:
>
> Earth is on the list, of course. The rosettes in Gateway Quadrant (canon or
> not). The royal palace. Is there a black hole in known space? A
> spectacular quasar?
A black hole, maybe. Do they still think the Cygnus X-ray source is one?
A quasar? Not bloody likely! (thankfully) Last I saw quasars are energy
sources on the order of entire galaxies going supernova. At once.
They are also a LOT older than most stuff and are probably confined to
the early universe, since they're some of the most distant things we've
ever seen. They probably predate our galaxy, much less the vanishingly
insignificant eyeblink of time that the Third Imperium represents....
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Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:25:45 -0700
From: Bruce Johnson
Subject: Re: Online Bible (KJV)
Probably at Project Gutenberg:
http://www.gutenberg.net/
Charles Collin wrote:
>
> Hey Leonard, where did you get that downloadable bible? What format is it
> in? I might find it a handy reference...
>
> Charles C.
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Information Technology Group
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:43:43 -0500
From: "Swordy \(Colin Michael\)"
Subject: Re: 7 Wonders of Charted Space
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Johnson"
> > spectacular quasar?
>
> A quasar? Not bloody likely! (thankfully) Last I saw quasars are energy
> sources on the order of entire galaxies going supernova. At once.
oops. I was thinking of one of those blinky things... um, neutron stars...
Pulsar! That's it. Sorry :-)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Colin Michael, WebDev
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The Traveller Domain
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:49:12 -0500
From: Glenn Myers
Subject: Starfield backgrounds and Traveller Miniatures
Hello all,
I've been pleased by the responses I have received to my SF miniatures page
at .
Anybody that wishes to modify my images may do so as long as they don't
claim credit for the original picture. Also, please send me a copy. I'm
curious what people can do with them.
SF miniatures page 2 is on the way. I've shot half a roll of film. and I'm
working at painting the TNE Clipper and the Free Trader. The others are from
Citadel, Superior, and other model makers (including me)
Finally, I forward this Bryce tutorial link to the list. I've never used
Bryce in this fashion but I seem to recall that others on the TML do.
"Nebulae"- A Bryce 4 Tutorial
Where other artists have made some stunning landscapes and seascapes with
Bryce, Sandy Birkholz shows us how to recreate scenes of deep space with
Bryce 4.0
http://letters.metacreations.com/scripts/flo.exe?x=dohmhAgowgoouE
Bye,
Glenn
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:54:02 -0800
From: Jesse DeGraff
Subject: RE: chicks with guns, and 3I porno
The simple fact is that, while it's nice to compare the statistics from one
country vs. another, even those that are as similar as Canada and the U.S.,
you cannot draw solid conclusions from these comparisons. You can only draw
said conclusions from WITHIN a given country, as there are too many other
variables to consider. In the United States, those States and
Municipalities where concealed carry is on a shall-issue basis have lower
average crime rates, while neighboring states and municipalities with more
draconian restrictions have higher crime rates. More guns = less crime.
Proven fact.
Now if only Clinton could get this through his sex-drenched brain...
Jesse
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Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:43 PM
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
Subject: Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno
>From: cos 90
>Subject: Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno
...
>By your logic, then, Canada, which has gun-control laws that are
>stricter than any found in the USA, should have a much higher violent
>crime rate. We do, in fact, have one that is much *lower*. One
I'm not sure about that - the one statistic that is striking is that
our murder rate is about a tenth of theirs, or an annual body count in
the US of about 90-100x ours (for a population about 8-9x larger - go
figure?). FWIW, break-ins and muggings are pretty much a barrel of laughs
compared to being shot and/or killed (I'm guessing about that last, but
I hope that I'll be forgiven the liberty), so I'll take things as they
are. And I intend never to spend more than a weekend at a time in the US
(well, except maybe another cruise to Alaska - way cool stuff).
>factor: the relative lack of availability of guns. Sure, someone who
>really really wants one can probably get one. But a lot of people who
>in the US would be able to get one would just give up here, since they
>aren't as easily available. The cost (in time, effort, and possibly cash)
>is higher than many would want to pay.
As much fun as the gun nuts can be, there doesn't seem to be a direct
correlation between gun possession and murders - witness comparing Calgary
& Vancouver; Alberta has the highest possession rate of the provinces
(IIRC), while Vancouver is mostly empty of firearms (regardless of the
efforts of those heroic entrepreneurs in organized crime). And yet the
murder rates are comparable at best (Vancouver is the third-largest city
in the country, but Calgary is close enough for comparison) - at worst
Vancouver is rather worse (pick your years carefully, and have fun adding
suspected murders allocated from missing persons tallies).
I wonder how Vancouver & Seattle stack up historically, though - they
should be tolerably similar.
Steven Hudson
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:39:46
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re:
At 11:02 PM 12/16/1999 -0900, you wrote:
>XTML, more properly X-boat, was killed despite protests of the most active
>posters, because MWM promised us a "Revised CT", and said the only place
>for info was this list, and NOT the XBML; what we got was not anything like
>CT, MT, nor TNE.
I was subscibed to both the TML and x-boat, and it was close to 80% cross
posts. And God forbid you should even mention TNE in passing. I'm happy
with one list.
There's nothing stopping anyone from going out to Onelist and starting
their own CT/MT list though.
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http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:41:53
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
At 04:48 PM 12/16/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>> "My God, it's full of penguins..."
>
>Well, it had to happen. Doug finally can put a Nasal Spray silhouette
>with my name on it on his keyboard. Congratulations. (Especially since
>it's not my keyboard, but John Harvard's. Way to go!).
YESSS!! The Everest of TML sprays!
>Nevertheless, retribution will be slow and certain. Especially if I join
>the trickle of TML'ers to SF once I get out of this hive of prim and
>decency.
Eeep. Mark? Care to visit? And bring most of the toy room?
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:45:06
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
At 07:57 PM 12/16/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>Hmmmm...lemme guess...."2001: A Linux Odyssey"!!
sadly, the Discovery Channel had an entire hour on the Emperor Penguin last
night. At one point Kirsten wandered by and watched a sequence of penguins
leaping out of the ocean. "I don't know what he's throwing those penguins
at." as she walked away. Ever pass pizza through your nose?
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http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:47:49
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: Barrelcrahs
At 12:28 PM 12/17/1999 +0200, you wrote:
> Probably the best-known camo safety is the one used in 40 mm
> grenade launcher warheads. The old 40 mm HE warhead had
> spherical pre-fragmented grenade and large spin-armed detonator.
> When launched, the warhead had to rotate a few times (the
> launcher has rifled barrel) before the detonator was armed.
And I have seen a sergeant catch one of the dummy rounds in flight.
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http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:53:09
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: Ethnic Confusions
At 12:56 AM 12/17/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>Curious question then...if the Solomani are the most physically diverse,
>then what parts of Earth did the Vilani and Zhodani come from?
Any part. Since the the samples taken by the Ancients could have been h.
habilus, each branch of humanity continued evolving on its own on whatever
world it was dropped on.
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http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:56:51
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: Marines & Cutlasses
At 07:09 AM 12/17/1999 +1100, you wrote:
> Hopefully they don't use the dreaded Poke-'n-Hope electronic scoring
>method, a good ref is a thousand times better than just charging in and
>hoping your button hit's in the 1/25th of a second before your opponents.
I imagine the system will be slightly more advanced.
> Okay! Okay! The marines used the Cutlass, that's a given. My point was
>that the Navy used it for about five time longer but they don't seem
>interested in it.
To dirty and common for the Mighty (shiny) Imperial Fleet!
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http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
We all enter the world in the same way: naked, screaming, soaked in blood.
But if you live your life right, that kind of thing doesn't have to stop
there.
- -- Dana Gould
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:01:27 -0000
From: "Trevor, Peter"
Subject: RE: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
Black ICE wrote:
> "Douglas E. Berry" wrote:
> >
> > At 03:58 PM 12/16/1999 +0000, you wrote:
> > > BITS - British Isles Traveller Support
> > > http://www.bits.org.uk/
> > >
> > > "Something wonderful is going to happen."
> >
> > "My God, it's full of penguins..."
>
> From the movie "2001: At Close Quarters."
Hmm ... shouldn't that be the book rather than movie. The movie
quote would be at the start of "2010: Too Close".
Regards PLST
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:18:17 -0400
From: Michel Vaillancourt
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
At 08:45 AM 12/17/99, you wrote:
>At 07:57 PM 12/16/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>Hmmmm...lemme guess...."2001: A Linux Odyssey"!!
>
>sadly, the Discovery Channel had an entire hour on the Emperor Penguin last
>night. At one point Kirsten wandered by and watched a sequence of penguins
>leaping out of the ocean. "I don't know what he's throwing those penguins
>at." as she walked away. Ever pass pizza through your nose?
>--
>
>Douglas E. Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
That is *brutal*....
Might I recommend some Dristan?
--Michel
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:27:49 GMT
From: "i Steve"
Subject: Re: 7 Wonders of Charted Space
>So what would be the 7 Wonders of Charted Space?
It's a bloody wonder the PCs in my campaign are still breathing, does that
count?
iSteve
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:40:49 -0600
From: Black ICE
Subject: Re: 7 Wonders of Charted Space
Hans Rancke-Madsen wrote:
>
> Kristian Miller writes:
>
> >ObTrav: I once had a Traveller player who planned to have his character
> >buy a "book" of the "Seven Wonders of the Known Universe" and be an
> >interstellar tourist.
>
> So what would be the 7 Wonders of Charted Space? Any ideas? Apart from the
> unfinished ringworld in the Vargr Extents I can't think of any canonical
> feature that merits inclusion on a list of the seven most spectacular
> sights of the known universe.
Well, I would list the Anti-Matter Planetoid Belt at Shionthy as a
Wonder of Charted Space. Bit of a hassle _visiting_ it, though....
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:57:53 -0800
From: "Wayne Ewart"
Subject: Re: 7 Wonders of Charted Space
>
> >So what would be the 7 Wonders of Charted Space?
>
> It's a bloody wonder the PCs in my campaign are still breathing, does that
> count?
>
Add my keyboard to the grow list of the dead
Wayne
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Set a man on fire and he is warm all his life.
- - Terry Pratchett
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:10:58 -0500
From: "Harold D. Hale"
Subject: [OT] Firearms Discussions (long)
Glenn Goffin writes:
>>You also have to remember that Jefferson and others
>>are on record as having stated (essentially) that if
>>the government got out of hand, the people were
>>*supposed* to overthrow it by force of arms!
>
>That is, after all, exactly what happened in the
>American Revolution. The people overthrew the British
>colonial government.
It should also be pointed out that the initial battle of the American
Revolutionary War (Lexington) occurred because the British Army decided to
seize private citizens' weapons that were being held in community arsenals
outside of Boston.
Harold's Thoughts On Gun Control (send replies to hdhale@mindspring.com)
1) While there are similarities between the U.S., Canada, Finland, New
Zealand, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and France, the U.S. is
culturally different enough from Canada, Finland, New Zealand, Switzerland,
the United Kingdom, and France that gun control debates that resort to
comparing this and that country's statistics (especially those that imply
that the U.S. should give up private ownership of guns like a child gives
up its "blankee" or favorite stuffed animal) are nothing more than a
philosophical exercise with little practical value. If you are lucky
enough to live in the country with a relatively homogenous population that
has a tradition of resolving serious differences over several alcoholic
beverages and a couple of fists or one really serious opium binge, good for
you. The rest of us will find our own path.
2) It can be accurately pointed out that governments and peoples have
from time to time in the course of history deemed it appropriate to
concentrate the ability to use force in the form of projectile weapons in
the hands of the state. When this has happened, the resulting changes in
society have been mixed at best. Hitler made sure that guns were rounded
up when he took power in the 1930s. On the other hand the UK rounded up
most all firearms in the 1920s when fear spread of a Communist insurgency.
The former resulted in one of the most repressive regimes in history. The
latter has been a stable democracy ever since (even if you may disagree
with the policies of the current Labour Government).
3) A firearm is a weapon capable of killing people with greater
efficiency than with knives, swords, arrows, cars, clubs, ropes, bare
hands, etc. That's *all* a firearm really is--a more efficient machine.
Not as efficient as poison gas, nuclear power, or a 747 perhaps, but on the
scale of things, effective for what it is design to do. It is incapable of
killing in and of itself unless it is seriously mechanically defective, and
then it does so, it does it completely without malice or forethought, just
like a car with bad brakes on a long hill. In fact there is nothing
inherently evil in any human-built machine, regardless of its purpose or
how "cold" or "military" it looks. A firearm is a piece of reasonably well
manufactured metal, plastic, and/or wood or ivory and nothing more than
that until *someone* puts it to use. Then, it can make save a life or even
countless lives by killing or wounding someone(s) intent on doing harm. It
can also be used to kill babies, elderly women, pregnant mothers, and
Presidents. *Why* it is used is what is important, not whether or not it
can hold 10 rounds or 20, whether or not it has a flash supresser, or if it
has a detachable magazine.
4) Banning firearms will not prevent murder or even mass murder. The
Oklahoma City bombing was carried out and killed hundreds of people without
a single shot being fired. The IRA killed and wounded far more people with
bombs in their campaign to drive the British out of Northern Ireland than
they ever did with guns. The gas attacks on the Tokyo subway system a few
years ago were also conducted without firearms. Tribesmen in Africa have
conducted killing sprees with machetes that killed and wounded dozens even
hundreds at a time. The History texts are filled with people who had no
trouble butchering, mutilating, raping, and oppressing their fellow men and
women without so much as a whiff of gunpowder in the air. Is it possible
that some of those people could have killed many more if they had a
firearm? Perhaps--then again, maybe some of those who chose to use
firearms to do their deeds would have instead resorted to even more
efficient means of killing such as explosives (mixed in a bath tub out of
common chemicals) or worse if a firearm hadn't been there.
5) The Constitution of the U.S. is quite clear--private citizens are
allowed to own firearms and the central government cannot prevent them from
doing so as long as they abide by the laws of the land. The U.S.
Constitution also states, quite unambiguously, that the Congress should
provide funding to provide private citizens in the proper military
training, and shall appoint officers as necessary so that the private
citizens have a chain of command to report to while they are training or
when and if they ever get called on to protect the country. So far as I
know, the Congress hasn't appointed a single officer for such a purpose
since the 1800s, and they stopped providing funding for firearms training
(let alone training in proper military drill) years ago. Technically
speaking, this means that Congress has not lived up to its Constitutional
obligations, and corrective actions should be taken immediately by the
President of the U.S. and/or the people. But wait, not even President
Ronald Reagan, known 2nd Amendment advocate, believed that Congress should
provide funding for training private citizens for military duty outside the
confines of the U.S. military, and I never heard one peep from him during
the 1980s about appointing officers for that chain of command the
aforementioned private citizens are suppose to have. If the primary reason
stated for private gun ownership is suppose to be about having a "well
regulated militia" (as the U.S. Constitution states), and the militia is
suppose to consist of eligible members of the aforementioned private
citizenry (excluding the National Guard, which, sorry folks, is a part of
the U.S. Army/Air Force) then the militia has been allowed to fall into
disrepair and needs to be immediately funded, or the Second Amendment
repealed.
6) On the other hand, the Supreme Court of the U.S. has seen fit to give
the citizens of the U.S. the right to an abortion (Roe vs. Wade) through
intepreting the U.S. Constitution to say that a woman's choice to terminate
a pregnancy is protected, even though it is not explicitly stated as such;
that burning an American flag in protect is a form of free speech, though
it is not explicitedly stated; that religious displays can be banned in
certain public areas even though the First Amendment does not explicitly
state this; that separate but equal facilities for minorities are
unconstitutional, even though it is not explicitedly stated. The point is,
many things have been judged by the Supreme Court as constitutional or
unconstitutional based on far less supporting evidence in the U.S.
Constitution than exists currently for private gun ownership. One would
think that those who support abortion rights, flag burning, exclusion of
religious symbols, and integration would also support private gun
ownership, but as I have noted on more than one occasion, many Americans
have a rather sad tendency to be total and complete flaming hypocrites when
it comes to their personal behavior and to their supposed beliefs on what
constitutes "inalienable rights".
One more point: given the large volume of gun laws currently on the
books regarding private firearms ownership in the U.S., it could be argued
that the "militia" (eligible private citizens) are already "well
regulated", and that the provisions for funding the appointment of officers
and training the militia were intended for the purposes of preparing for
repelling a foreign invasion only--the threat of which the U.S. has been
free of since 1815. Also, if the U.S. Supreme Court has been reluctant in
the past to hear 2nd Amendment cases, it has been because they wished to
give local authorities the maximum flexibility possible in how they wished
to deal with gun laws, not because they were necessarily pro or anti-gun.
Any significant ruling by the Supreme Court would have altered that ability.
7) People who live in mansions and "gated communities" surrounded by
high walls, steel gates, costly high tech security systems, 24 hours
guards, and access to police who will respond in under 7 minutes to a phone
call (Rosie O'Donnell, Jane Fonda, Sharon Stone, insert the name of your
favorite rich elitist celebrity here) have no business lecturing *anyone*,
particularly people living in cities where illegal drugs and illegal
weapons follow in and out of neighborhoods like sewage through a sewage
line, about whatever less expensive security measures they may take,
including the ownership of a legally obtained firearm. Further, they have
no business lecturing people on why further weapons bans should be put in
place, since whatever additional bans in the U.S. they propose will
disproportionately disarm honest citizens, while leaving criminals with the
same steady flow of illegal firearms they had before.
I think I've covered all the bases now regarding people's comments on
gun control during the latest "outbreak". I will post nothing further here
on this topic unless in the above lecture I have made some sort of factual
error that needs correcting. Those who wish to discuss this further, the
address is listed above.
Regards,
Harold
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:10:12 -0000
From: "Trevor, Peter"
Subject: RE: Canonicy of YTU
Ian Ferguson wrote:
> Without meaning to throw sparks on the dry tinder of
> the canon issue, how many of you follow the official
> rules and canon? I use most of the CT rules that I
> know of, and don't sweat the ones I don't know. MTU
> has numerous tweeks and house rules, and many facets
> of the Imperium might make other cringe. What is the
> distribution of philosophies out there?
Rules: MT-lite ... usually no task time rules or combat
inturrupts, only "advanced" character generation, plus "Spice Of
Life" add-on rules from Challenge magazine and cultural mods from
World Builder's Handbook.
Canon: CT universe in Spinward Marches around 5FW ... as canon as
possible for the most part but the Ancients are Cthulhu-esq.
Regards PLST
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:23:01 +0000
From: "Carlos Alos-Ferrer"
Subject: RE: Canonicy of YTU
> Ian Ferguson wrote:
> > Without meaning to throw sparks on the dry tinder of
> > the canon issue, how many of you follow the official
> > rules and canon? I use most of the CT rules that I
> > know of, and don't sweat the ones I don't know. MTU
> > has numerous tweeks and house rules, and many facets
> > of the Imperium might make other cringe. What is the
> > distribution of philosophies out there?
Rules: MT-variant & light... plus anything I like from any game
system.
Canon: It might be canon... I set it beyond charted space, but the
universe the players left behind is supposed to be the MT one... only
they still don't know how much time they were hibernated, so it might
be the TNE one... or a different one. Maybe one day they'll find out.
Carlos Alos-Ferrer
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:04:46 +0000
From: SD Mooney
Subject: [BITS] North American Stock Info
BITS - British Isles Traveller Support
http://www.bits.org.uk/
Just to let you know: Our couriers inform us that the shipment of
'The Khiidkar Incident' and 'SpaceDogs' was delivered to Steve
Jackson Games on Monday 13th December 1999. Included in the shipment
were a limited number of copies of the 2nd Edition of Timothy
Collinson's "The Traveller Bibliography".
So keep an eye on SJG's elves at Warehouse 23 and hopefully you'll be
able to have two new adventures and a copy of the best guide to
Traveller ever produced for the festive season!
BITS would like to wish you a Happy Christmas and a Great 2000!
And there's more news to come....
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:16:57 +0000
From: SD Mooney
Subject: re: Paul S.Cargonaut
At 10:59 -0500 17/12/99, Diespamer@aol.com wrote:
>Sorry to barge in on the paintball debate...but could Paul S. of Cargonaut
>please contact Fred Kiesche (Diespamer@aol.com)?
>
>Thanks...and now back to the debate...
he's away in Europe until early January.
Dom
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:26:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan
Subject: Re: [OT] Firearms Discussions (long)
On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Harold D. Hale wrote:
Amazing! What a wonderful, coherent, sane and articulate post on a topic
that makes a lot of people simply lose their minds. May I forward it to
my favorite sparring partner on this issue?
Kiri =)
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Kiri Aradia Morgan 93! Thou Art God
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"If time passes, everything turns into beauty
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away
Everything starts wearing fresh colors
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic
Desire is embraced in a dream..." -- X-JAPAN
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