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Traveller-digest Thursday, November 4 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 1304
(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.
All rights reserved.
The following topics are covered in this digest:
Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8
Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8
Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
RE: [OT] One Day In Peace
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
RE: Glitches after maintenance
Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
Re: OT Kiri's name
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
Re: Solomani Rim data
Re: OT Kiri's name
Re: Cargonaut Press/Keith Supplements
Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace)
Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:09:05 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)
In mail you write:
> Me:
>>> I've let them die in the street on one planet, then assessed the estate
> for
>>> cleaning fees (to get the blood out of the concrete). A _really_ nasty
>>> trick is a planet where _everything_ is user-pay, right down to asking
>>> directions (and that should have been a clue that medical care wouldn't be
>>> provided on credit...).
>
> Leonard:
>>A nice touch for such a planet might be that nothing s "illegal" per
>>se. It's just that there's a fine/fee for doing it. With some things
>>carrying *really* high fees.
>
> Yup, that's what I did.
>
> Quick quiz: name at least three science fiction settings which have used
> this idea.
Well, the first one is easy. The "Magewars" series by Doyle & ???.
They've got that asteroid where *anything* can be bought. Including
arrest and execution of "inconvenient" people.
I'm blank on others right now.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:16:13 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
In mail you write:
>>> Maybe not legally, but if you got it into your head to go to
>>> Nevada, buy a semi-auto gun, and bring it back home to California,
>>> what could possibly stop you?
>> Per federal law, you are not allowed to purchase handguns outside
>> your state of residence. You are allowed to purchase longguns and
>> shotguns, but the laws of both states (the state where the purchase
>> is and the state of the purchasers residence) must be followed.
> Wow, you *really* missed my point... we aren't talking laws here,
> we're talking about being able to take an object from one US state to
> a neighbouring US state without being stopped for inspection at the
> state line. And as long as people can do that, one state's gun law is
> not going to have the desired effect on the availability of guns in
> that state. This is why, for instance, Washington DC's gun-control
> laws have not had much discernable effect.
Not true. They've raised the crime rate. Only people willing to ignore
the law have guns. Which means that criminals *know* the oodds of
having an average citizen be able to stop an attack are slim to none.
And the criminals act accordingly.
>>> be after the fact. That's why gun laws at anything less than
>>> a national level are doomed to failure.
>> Of course, even national laws are doomed to failure if enough people
>> act against it. How many illegal drugs are imported into Canada?
> Nowhere near as much as into the USA... :)
>
>>Remember Prohibition?
>
> Not personally. But alcohol is easy to make -- I've done it myself
> (my dad and I used to make our own beer). I know of very few people
> who are able to manufacture automatic and semi-automatic weapons in
> their own homes...
Not really. *Most* people are quite capable of producing a Sten Gun in
their home. They just don't *know* that they are. The thing was
*designed* to be produced by hand with not much more than a file and a
hacksaw!
All you need are the instructions and a few paper templates to wrap
around things like the piece of pipe that forms the main body of the
gun.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:02:25 -0500
From: "Thom Harris"
Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
Dave, this isn't meant as a flame and I apologize to Leonard for my earlier
post but I have to say to both of you guys WHO CARES? I offered the program
up in the (what I thought was) best spirits of the TML and get fried on
because of semantics..... Jesus people, not everyone sees the importance of
speaking so damned accurately. There's an old joke about the difference in
an engineer and a technician that comes to mind but it's too long to post.
Sometimes it's better to just let things go in the spirit of how they were
meant and not show off how much YOU know. To me and the people that
requested I email them the software the ONLY THING OF IMPORTANCE was we
aren't breaking the law. End of story, and it'll be a damn long time before
I delurk again....
Thom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: David J. Golden
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
> At 10:21 AM 11/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Okay Leonard, I forgot you were on here to correct everyone. The
> old game
> >has been released into "Public Domain" and is available for *FREE*
> to those
> >who want it. Where I come from that's called *FREEWARE*..... All
> *FREEWARE*
> >I've seen, the copyright holder retains possession and has just
> given
>
> If it's been released into the public domain, the "copyright holder"
> holds *nothing* ... there *is* no copyright on public domain. That's
> why there is a distinction between public domain and freeware.
>
> -- The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights,
> shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained
> by the people.
> -- Amendment IX, US Constitution
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:13:13 EST
From: JFZeigler@aol.com
Subject: Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8
In a message dated 11/3/99 7:56:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, tiamat@tsoft.com
writes:
> Nobody with a name like that is what I think of as U-S-of-A American! But
> I do understand what you mean. Of course there's no reason to think at
> that late date that he was even born on Earth, is there? Have you been
> doing characters from the Martian Colonies, etc.?
Not yet. There aren't a *lot* of characters in the book anyway, so I
probably won't be introducing more than two or three that haven't already
appeared in canon. On the other hand, I've got a lengthy sidebar on
"Personalities of the Interstellar Wars" in the works, and if there's room
I want to list at least one prominent colonial.
Hey, maybe Albadawi was from the colonies. . .
- ----------
Jon F. Zeigler: Mathematician, computer geek, amateur historian, freelance
writer, occasional scribbler of bad poetry
"For any statement, no matter how innocuous, there exists a nonempty
set of people who will take offense at it."
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:01:37
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8
At 07:48 PM 11/3/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>At 02:18 PM 11/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>Kiri =) not Keri, Kerry or Carrie
>
>So how is your name pronounced?
Let me take a guess.. K'-ear-EE.. rhymes with leery.
I'm married to a kiri, so I should know. Of course, Kirsten loves messing
with people who ask for "Kristen" Berry...
- --
Douglas E. Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:58:27
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
At 11:23 PM 11/3/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>ObTrav: Orbital precision strikes are much less manpower demanding
>than sending in the gropos.
and B-52s ended the Vietnam war.. The more research I do, the less
impressed I am with the Air Farces of the world.
- --
Douglas E. Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:14:39 -0500
From: Mark Urbin
Subject: RE: [OT] One Day In Peace
Bruce Johnson types:
>On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Mark Preston wrote:
>> The weapons ban in the UK would be considered extreme by many other
>> countries. It is far easier to say what is permitted than what is banned -
>> for instance we are not permitted to carry clubs.
>And the difference between a club and a cricket-bat is...? Or have they
>finally outlawed cricket for the evil galaxy-wide-banned habit that it
>is? ;-)
I picked up a cricket bat in Rivonia. The cricket finals were in session,
so took the time to shop for one. I love my cricket bat! I use for Chinese
broadsword forms. It has a better weight and feel than the sheet metal
show blades sold in most MA catalogs.
As the nice man said in Spinal Tap, "Sometimes it's just handy to have a
solid piece of wood about." Ok, so it's not a direct quote, but you get
the idea...
Ob-Trav: Your load of sporting goods equipment is a cargo of illegal
weapons two jumps over...
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
eclipse@ultranet.com -- These opinions are mine, no one else wants `em.
Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. The town was
burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need those sheep anyway.
That's our story and we're sticking to it. http://www.ultranet.com/~eclipse/
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:21:39 -0800
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella"
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
Via electronic medium on 11/3/99 6:45 PM, Juliean Galak at jg42@cornell.edu
wrote:
> Ah. The cartridge casing is exactly what I meant... the housing/casing
> isn't too hard to machine. The cartridges OTOH need to be made in fairly
> large quantities... Not to mention the primers...
If one was seeking to be completely independent of the commercial
manufacturing base, or stuck on a tech 7 or so world with the bare minimum
of gear and were builing your own arsenal. what about caseless? Could one go
this route to simplify things, or does this just add more complications? Are
caseless rounds more difficult to manufacture? Personally I'll stick to a
.22, as the ammo is ubiquitous (sold on the counter at local stores) and
cheap, and I don't like big boom.
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:21:07 -0500
From: Mark Urbin
Subject: RE: Glitches after maintenance
>John Buston writes:
>>My players are currently having their ship undergo repairs/annual
>>maintenance in a lower tech starport than the ship. They are also
>>performing self-maintenance on the jump drive, fusion reactor and
>>thrusters, as well as using an experimental jump drive component.
>>
>>Anyone have any nice glitches I can throw at them during the
>>shakedown?
Oh...a gearhead's delight here... take a look at
http://www.ultranet.com/~eclipse/SV/TRAV/traveller_maintenace_blues.shtml
Of course the air will smell funny. Let them swap the filers a few times
before they start tracing down the air shafts (small maintance bot perhaps)
and find:
a. A dead vermin that smells bad (ooowwww...space rat)
b. A really colorful mold with lots of smelly pores that drift in the wind
c. "So that's were Jetter's old mismatched socks ended up..."
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
eclipse@ultranet.com -- These opinions are mine, no one else wants `em.
I can't remember if I'm the good twin or the evil one.
http://www.ultranet.com/~eclipse/
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:33:11 -0500
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger"
Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
> At 11:23 PM 11/3/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >ObTrav: Orbital precision strikes are much less manpower demanding
> >than sending in the gropos.
>
> and B-52s ended the Vietnam war.. The more research I do, the less
> impressed I am with the Air Farces of the world.
The problem with B52s during the war was, they carried old weapons, not the new improved 'smart' weapons they keep touting these days. At cruising altitude, you couldn't hit the ground hardly with those old WW2 era bombs.
Keven
- --
tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Science-Fiction Adventure
In Reavers' Deep
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 03:40:53 GMT
From: j_pete@bellsouth.net (Pete)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:58:27, "Douglas E. Berry"
wrote:
>At 11:23 PM 11/3/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>
>>ObTrav: Orbital precision strikes are much less manpower demanding
>>than sending in the gropos.
>
>and B-52s ended the Vietnam war.. The more research I do, the less
>impressed I am with the Air Farces of the world.
I certainly hope you don't believe that one military branch is
superior in all situations. Air power is neither perfect nor suitable
for ALL situations. However, in the right place and time (applying the
proper type and amount of high explosives) it can be decisive. But
then so can one man in the right place and time with a Ruger MkII.
================================================================================
- - Jeff Peterson j_pete@bellsouth.net
"There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven."
-Ecclesiastes 3:1
Pete 0609 D258A85-3 S kk- hi++ as+ va++ dr++ so zh- vi+ da++ A833
GCS V 3.12 d- s:+: a- C+++ UH++$ P-- L+ E-- W++ N++ o-- K- w++++(---)$ !O M-- V-
PS-- PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5++ X+ R+ tv+ b+++ DI++ D++ G e+ h--- r+++ y+++
NOG #74 AirStar Nova 700
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 03:45:25 GMT
From: j_pete@bellsouth.net (Pete)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:33:11 -0500, "Keven R. Pittsinger"
wrote:
>> At 11:23 PM 11/3/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>> >ObTrav: Orbital precision strikes are much less manpower demanding
>> >than sending in the gropos.
>>
>> and B-52s ended the Vietnam war.. The more research I do, the less
>> impressed I am with the Air Farces of the world.
>
>The problem with B52s during the war was, they carried old weapons,
>not the new improved 'smart' weapons they keep touting these days.
>At cruising altitude, you couldn't hit the ground hardly with those
>old WW2 era bombs.
>
True! These days a BUFF can place an unguided bomb within a few inches
of the target. The avionics have been SERIOUSLY upgraded. They also
can fly low altitude missions. Talk about a ride!
================================================================================
- - Jeff Peterson j_pete@bellsouth.net
"There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven."
-Ecclesiastes 3:1
Pete 0609 D258A85-3 S kk- hi++ as+ va++ dr++ so zh- vi+ da++ A833
GCS V 3.12 d- s:+: a- C+++ UH++$ P-- L+ E-- W++ N++ o-- K- w++++(---)$ !O M-- V-
PS-- PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5++ X+ R+ tv+ b+++ DI++ D++ G e+ h--- r+++ y+++
NOG #74 AirStar Nova 700
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:13:38 +1300
From: "Rupert Boleyn"
Subject: Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8
On 3 Nov 99, at 19:01, Douglas E. Berry wrote:
> I'm married to a kiri, so I should know. Of course, Kirsten loves messing
> with people who ask for "Kristen" Berry... --
I'd guess that here in NZ a "Kristen" would have more trouble with
people calling them "Kirsten" than the other way around. While
"Kirsten" is not a common name here "Kristen" is practically non-
existant.
- --
Rupert Boleyn
Wellington, New Zealand
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:13:38 +1300
From: "Rupert Boleyn"
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
On 3 Nov 99, at 19:21, Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella wrote:
> Via electronic medium on 11/3/99 6:45 PM, Juliean Galak at
> jg42@cornell.edu wrote:
>
> > Ah. The cartridge casing is exactly what I meant... the housing/casing
> > isn't too hard to machine. The cartridges OTOH need to be made in
> > fairly large quantities... Not to mention the primers...
>
> If one was seeking to be completely independent of the commercial
> manufacturing base, or stuck on a tech 7 or so world with the bare minimum
> of gear and were builing your own arsenal. what about caseless? Could one
> go this route to simplify things, or does this just add more
> complications? Are caseless rounds more difficult to manufacture?
> Personally I'll stick to a .22, as the ammo is ubiquitous (sold on the
> counter at local stores) and cheap, and I don't like big boom.
In a word: Yes.
Caseless ammo needs a propellant that is structually strong enough to
not need the case, as well as being water,petrol and sunlight
resistant. If it is to be used in a miltary situation it also has to be
very cook-off resistant, as there is no case to soak up and extract
waste heat from combustion. Also the primers are trickier to make as
they have to burn up completely. Not only that but the weapon has to be
better made as there is no case to seal the chamber.
The G11's ammo was actually made from a high explosive mixed with a
stabilser, as normal rifle propellants just wouldn'd cut it.
- --
Rupert Boleyn
Wellington, New Zealand
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:13:38 +1300
From: "Rupert Boleyn"
Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
On 3 Nov 99, at 22:33, Keven R. Pittsinger wrote:
> The problem with B52s during the war was, they carried old weapons, not
> the new improved 'smart' weapons they keep touting these days. At
> cruising altitude, you couldn't hit the ground hardly with those old WW2
> era bombs.
Those smart bombs aren't quite as good as the propoganda suggests,
either. IIRC post-war analysis showed that in the Gulf War they were
_much_ less effective than was first thought. Part of the problem was
that there was so much video footage that under-trained personnel were
used to analyse it, and they over-estimated the quality of hits.
- --
Rupert Boleyn
Wellington, New Zealand
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:13:38 +1300
From: "Rupert Boleyn"
Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
On 3 Nov 99, at 18:58, Douglas E. Berry wrote:
> At 11:23 PM 11/3/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >ObTrav: Orbital precision strikes are much less manpower demanding
> >than sending in the gropos.
>
> and B-52s ended the Vietnam war.. The more research I do, the less
> impressed I am with the Air Farces of the world.
Yep. IM(incredibly)HO, the media's treatment of the Gulf War and the
air strikes against Serbia (it wasn't a war, or so I'm told - I must
look up the meaning of 'war' again) have done a considerable dis-
service to the armed forces of the western world, because the
polictians and the public are going to expect things to always work
like that. I'm expecting cuts in spending on new equipment to the
armies in favour of air forces (in general terms).
- --
Rupert Boleyn
Wellington, New Zealand
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:35:40 -0600
From: Shimmergloom
Subject: Re: OT Kiri's name
Maybe you should upload a wave file to some webpage of you saying your name.
Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Wilson
> To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 5:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8
>
> >At 02:18 PM 11/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >>
> >>Kiri =) not Keri, Kerry or Carrie
> >>
> >
> >So how is your name pronounced?
> >
> The vowel in the first syllable is the same as the vowel in the second
> syllable, and both syllables are the same length. (If we were being strict,
> which I'm not, we would slur the "r" into something a lot like "l" or even
> "t".) I wouldn't get so annoyed, except that Kerry/Carrie is a totally
> different name. It'd be like being named Allan and having the world call
> you Aaron.
>
> My name can mean either "fog" or "paulownia tree" depending on the
> characters-- mine means "fog" which is rarer.
>
> Kiri (who shouldn't be eating chocolate walnuts prior to dinner)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Kiri Aradia Morgan 93! Thou Art God...
> tiamat@tsoft.com
>
> "That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside
> of everyone, is sacred somewhere. There's a deity out
> there who digs it. You can respect and love your darkest
> side, disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.
> It's all about giving yourself permission."
> -- Jack Darkhand
- --
- -----------------------------------------------
"How much XP do we get if we join the bandits?"
Shimmer
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:46:25 -0700
From: cos 90
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
>Any time you say, "No, you can not do X", even if you never wanted to do X,
>you will now because it is forbidden fruit.
I wouldn't say that. Most so-called recreational drugs are illegal in
this country -- in effect, my government is saying that I can not do
marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. Makes no difference to me -- I've no
urge to do any of these things anyway.
Glenn St-Germain § Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
cos90@powersurfr.com § http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn
"There is no longer any normal to be"
-- Gary Numan
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:43:51 -0600
From: "Joseph R. Dietrich"
Subject: Re: Solomani Rim data
>> hydrographics is 2d6-7 + atmosphere (not size)
>
> Not according to my copy of LBB 3 :-).
Wow. Errata in _The Traveller Book_. Kewl.
It says, right there, bigger 'n hell, on page 82: "Hydrographics Percentage
(2D-7+atmosphere; ..."
This is then contradicted on the table on page 85. Book 6: Scouts, MT Ref's
Manual, TNE and (apparently) Book 3 all say the table on page 85 is correct.
Errors in the Good Book! Oy vey! What of holy canon! What of rules! Indeed,
the whole framework of my existance is shaken. Woe is me.
Ciao,
Joseph R. Dietrich
yikes@evansville.net
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:49:31 -0600
From: "Joseph R. Dietrich"
Subject: Re: OT Kiri's name
>>Kiri =) not Keri, Kerry or Carrie
>>
>
>So how is your name pronounced?
Well, it's spelled "Smith" but it's pronounced "Throat-wobbler-mangrove."
Ciao,
Zhosef Are. Deetrick
yikes@evansville.net
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:32:18 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Cargonaut Press/Keith Supplements
In mail you write:
> At 05:51 AM 11/3/99 +1000, you wrote:
>>What ever happened to Cargonaut Press and the books Paul Sanders was
>>publishing?
>
> He's printing them in every spare moment - just finished the Imperial
> Calendars last night and am spending this evening putting the covers on.
> It's getting close folks, and I am trying to get as many printed before I
> leave home on a trip for three weeks in December. More updates as I mail
> them out (in batches of 15) starting next weekend.
>
> I've dedicated the Imperial Calendar and Reavers' Deep Sector Sourcebook to
> J. Andrew Keith -- just heard back from Bill Keith and he seemed pleased. I
> also offered to pass on any condolences the TML might wish to send - he was
> *VERY* receptive to that idea - so - send 'em and I'll see that Bill gets
> them.
What's Imperial Calendar about? And, just in case it's something I'm
interested in, how do I order a copy?
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:34:08 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace)
In mail you write:
> The strange story I heard about was that there was a direct correlation
> between the number of daiper pins sold each year and the US road toll! It
> came up in a short story by (I think) Theodore Sturgeon called "Occam's
> Scalpel"
> (a darn good read, too) and I had heard it somewhere else, before that.
>
> I bet the correlation doesn't exist now people use disposable nappies.
And the perils of speaking the "same language" strikes again!
In the US, napkins are the things you wipe your hands and face with
(aka serviettes(sp)). Diapers are what you put on a baby's bottom.
And (for our British list members), "knock up" means "make pregnant"
and "fanny" is a synonym for "butt", not for "vagina".
The ObTrav should be obvious. Galanglic will have these sort of
boobytraps for every single world that has a few million or more
"native speakers".
Which means that if the ref wants some fun, all he has to do is come up
with a different meaning for some common idiom, and watch the confusion.
"Could I have a napkin, please" in a restaraunt, for example. :-)
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:46:54 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....
In mail you write:
> Okay Leonard, I forgot you were on here to correct everyone. The old game
> has been released into "Public Domain" and is available for *FREE* to those
> who want it. Where I come from that's called *FREEWARE*..... All *FREEWARE*
> I've seen, the copyright holder retains possession and has just given
> permission for people to use it. Now, does that fit better in your
> convoluted way of thinking? No matter what you call it Leonard, it is still
> available for *FREE*!!!!!! Hey Leonard, I'll say it again, you can have it
> for *FREE*. Relax your rules Leonard and lighten up, this isn't rocket
> science and a misnomer is just that, not someone trying to upset your
> delicate sense of reality.
Well excuse me for trying to warn someone that they might just have a
*pirated* copy of something. It's very common for folks pirating games
to claim that it's been released into PD by the copyright holder. So
relying on what the stuff included with the file *says* is risky at
best.
If it is PD, great! I'd want to see someone direct from the copyright
holder before I'd risk distributing it. The per copy damages the
copyright holder can claim are a bit too steep for *my* bank account.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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