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Traveller-digest Monday, December 27 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 1588
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The following topics are covered in this digest:
Re: Ethnic confusion
Re: Drawing Program
Re: Ethnic confusion
Re: Drawing Program - longish
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99
RE: Purina, etc.
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99
Re: Drawing Program
Re Image Formats
Re: Passengers From Hell
Re: Off Topic - Re: winning, losing, and not winning wars (was re: England)
Re: Texas and Traveller
Re: in jokes
Re: in jokes
Re: Drawing Program
Re: in jokes
Re: Passengers From Hell
Re: Drawing Program
[none]
Re: in jokes
Re:
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:36:41 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion
In mail you write:
> I don't really think current theories are wrong, but IMO it is utterly
> irrelevant in this case, because correcting the mistake (if it is a mistake)
> will tear long holes in the Traveller background and reduce its usefulness.
> I LIKE having most of the various human races interfertile. If you accept
> that _Homo sapiens_ hadn't evolved yet 300,000 years ago, then NONE of the
> descendants of _Homo antiquitus_ would be interfertile with the Solomani.
> (Well, I suppose you could invoke the Ancients, but IMO they are getting
> rather overworked already. Besides, we know from canon that different
> Ancients 'ran' different human populations. Why in the world would some of
> them build in a genetic code that would allow Solomani, Darrians, Vilani,
> and other groups to evolve to a form that would be interfertile with the
> rest?).
>
> All the available in-game evidence show that _Homo antiquitus_ was already
> _Homo sapiens_. If the Real World don't like that, I think the Real World
> should take a hike.
Actually, it doesn't matter. You see, after 300,000 years of
*differing* selection pressures, the odds are that no matter *what*
species you started with, more than a few of the enclaves would no
longer be interfertile with the others.
It doesn't *matter* which species you started with. And remember, we
don't know if *time* seperated "species" such as Homo sapiens and Homo
erectus would be interfertile.
Also, keep in mind that after 2-3 *million* years of (genetic)
seperation, it's thought that humans and chimps may be interfertile.
Nobody's had the guts to try it, given the ethical and moral dilemmas
posed.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:28:33 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Drawing Program
In mail you write:
> Leonard Erickson wrote in message
> news:991225.150455.8p2.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com...
>> In mail you write:
>>
>> > Good point Leonard, but by the time I even knew what OS/2 was or could
>> > afford to buy an operating system, it was already dead and buried.
>
> Gee, he must have only just learned what an operating system is then. I
> wonder why he knows about Amiga, seeing as they died long before OS/2....
>
>> Funny, IBM still sells it.
>
> Not to the public.
> They will sell it to existing users that require new licences, but it is not
> commercially available anymore.
Sorry, but I *bought* a copy back in Feb. From a wholesale outlet.
> The reason they don't work with OS/2 is the crappy implementation of OS/2s
> support for Windows
> Read Andrew Shulman's articles on the subject in Dr. Dobbs for details, but
> basically, the OS/2 executive patched the live copy of win.exe on the fly
> (in memory) to get it to work under OS/2
OS/2 Warp 3 *red* may have done that. Warp 3 *blue* used code based on
source from MS. Warp 4 was based on that.
> Obviously, this means that even a recompile of win.exe, let alone an actual
> rewrite could break OS./2 's support for it
Given that Warp 4 has it's *own* Win.exe, your assertions are ludicrous.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:19:32 -0600
From: "Thomas Vickers"
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion
Just wondering, what is the scientific name for Neanderthals?
I was watching an interesing show on TLC or Discovery the other night that
dealt with the end of the Neanderthals. Recent evidence (skeletons etc...)
as
pretty much ended the debate as to what happened to them. Seems like they
were assimilated into Homosapiens.
So, if Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals can interbreed as is now strongly
suggested
what are the chances that all the humans can interbreed in the 3I?
Just a notion
TV
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:40:17 -0500
From: "Jory Earl"
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish
I was first introduced to computers back in 1982, when I was in a Chemistry
Lab at a local High School watching the teacher play some game on an
Apple ][ that had you try to land on the moon according to vectors, courses
and fuel Vs thrust. I watched for a while then tried it myself. Mind you,
I had never seen a computer before so at best it was just an oddity. I
ended up getting the thrust vector wrong and was informed by the program
that I had added myself as a new and rather large crater in the moon's
surface. Frak! Later that month I saw the teacher listing the commands for
that game (program listing in Applesoft BASIC) and I remember looking at all
that strange code and thinking, "I'll never understand whatever that is in a
million years". I left and the experience was soon way in the back of my
mind, mainly forgotten.
My next experience with a computer was 2 years later when a math teacher
gave the class an assignment to write a simple program on a TRS-80 computer
that would place a character somewhere on the screen. I still didn't really
think about these 'things' yet so I treated the assignment like any other
home work - I decided it sucked before I started. :) However, as I began
doing the assignment, and actually having to learn this weird code,
something else inside me was lighting a little spark. Pretty soon the
assignment was fun. I started doing other things like trying to make it
move on the screen. But when the assignment was over, I was still thinking
about it. Next week the teacher received an Apple ][+ which sat in a small
room at the back of the classroom. I started staying later after class to
tinker with it. Soon I was writing programs and reverse-engineering other
people's programs to learn how to make this machine do things. Man that was
an exciting time for me - learning how to make this odd machine do whatever
I wanted it to do. I soon spent hours after school programming on that old
Apple ][+. the teacher trusted me so I was allowed to stay until late at
night. The only other computer experience I had at this time was the
Teletype terminal in the School's Work Resource Area. It connected to a
WAIS known as the Washington Occupational Information Service. I used this
to determine a schedule of study for the future. One time my girlfriend got
a hold of the tele-terminal while I was making some copies. She didn't know
what a computer was, just that it responded when you typed to it. So, being
a typical girl, she started telling the terminal to ask me out. She was
non-plussed when it gave it's default response : Huh? I'm not sure I
understand you fully. Please respond with a Yes, No or Maybe.
Anyway, by now the computer bug had bit me really good and I became obsessed
with them. I would skip classes and stay until 11pm at night, just
programming. Nothing elaborate, just tiny little things that did stuff like
draw on the screen or make text files on disk. After I graduated, I bought
a Commodore Vic-20 from a friend. I remember not really taking it seriously
because I was used to ASCII terminals like the Apple ][ and the Vic's
characters looked like something from pre-school. But it was a computer so
I learned on it. After 2-3 years, I got a hold of a Hewlett-Packard 125
running C/PM which had BASIC interpreter software similar to GWBASIC, but
with a totally different ANSI code system. I programmed on this until 1988,
when I got a Hewlett-Packard 150 using HP's version of DOS pre 3.0. It ran
the same BASIC as the HP-125. I later switched to the Commodore-64 when I
got one and primarily used it to run my BBS.
My first Operating System was the Amiga's Kickstart back in 1990. At the
time I didn't understand DOS commands (or their Amiga counterparts).
Previously I had used BASIC on a TRS-80 level 1, an Apple ][, Vic-20 and
Commodore Pet as well as the C-64. I had briefly in 1986 booted an IBM PCjr
into "cassette BASIC" (it's default when no disk was present). So I only
used my Amiga for a games machine. I wanted to run my BBS off it but didn't
really understand all the odd references a friend of mine made about needing
to make "sub-directories" for the BBS software. Up until this point my only
experience had been with either programming simple things in BASIC or
running the Ivory BBS software on my Commodore-64. I had purchased the
Amiga thinking it was going to be just like the C-64 only faster and more
powerful. When I discovered it wasn't, I was pretty disappointed. Here was
this weird GUI with icons and stuff. :) I went back to the C-64 for most
of my serious computing and left the Amiga500 for games and Demos. In 1992
my brother gave me a Hewlett-Packard Vectra 286 running at MHz with a
special HP DOS 3.0 and some weird Hewlett-Packard software running on top
like Desqview. With the help of a buddy with another 286 (who was a lot
more DOS savvy than I was), I learned DOS in about 2-3 hours. After all,
it's a lot simpler than BASIC. Suddenly making DIRs, copying and moving
files, etc, seemed second nature, almost as easy as breathing.
The 286 only had an old Seagate 40meg hard drive running off an MFM
controller card. The drive was the first to go. Since the BIOS on the
motherboard was so proprietary and outdated, a replacement drive had to come
with a controller card with onboard BIOS for the new hard drive (131megs).
So I learned how to do things like setting BIOS and configuring devices in
DOS/CMOS. All we used back then was DOS and my buddy and I scoffed at
windows, vowing never to use it. How we used to snicker when we heard
people talking about Windows 3.0..:) If we used a GUI at all, we used this
program called QuickMenu. Then of course, I got windows 3.1 with my next
computer which was a 386sx33. Suddenly I was in the Windows world. I still
wasn't sold on windows yet and did most of my work in DOS. Then I upgraded
to a 486 and by that time lots of cool stuff was coming out for Windows so I
found myself using DOS less. Then in 1995, I built my first Pentium system.
I formatted the hard drive and bought Windows 95 (upgrade version) and
installed it. I've been using '95 since. However I quickly learned that
the OEM version (2.5) was a lot more stable than that crap they pass along
to the general public.
Anyway Frank, sorry for being so long-winded, but I wanted you to have some
idea where I was coming from when it came to OS's. I realize that many on
this list have been more fortunate than I in their computer experiences
(some having Unix backgrounds, etc) but I don't think I am doing too poorly
given my history with computers. I learned what I could fairly quickly and
often fixed problems that support techs couldn't help me with. So cut me
some slack about being an OS-newbie, ok? :)
___________________________________________________________
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Pitt"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: Drawing Program
> Leonard Erickson wrote in message
> news:991225.150455.8p2.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com...
> > In mail you write:
> >
> > > Good point Leonard, but by the time I even knew what OS/2 was or could
> > > afford to buy an operating system, it was already dead and buried.
>
> Gee, he must have only just learned what an operating system is then. I
> wonder why he knows about Amiga, seeing as they died long before OS/2....
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:36:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Glenn Goffin
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99
>From: Black ICE
>Subject: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99
Thanks for that excellent compilation. We should
remember that it's a game of skill as well as luck.
Many of us would have been splorted if we'd drunk
first and then read, instead of vice-versa. (I've
read many of those near-hit posts, but collecting them
would be even more above and beyond the call of duty
than you've gone.)
I'm surprised that December, the last month in the
study, has the most kills. You'd think we'd have
learned not to drink before reading.
Now where do I go to download my splort sticker?
- --Glenn
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:38:49 -0600
From: "Moody, Danny M."
Subject: RE: Purina, etc.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GDWGAMES@aol.com [mailto:GDWGAMES@aol.com]
>
> In Re Purina puppy chow, etc.: One of the funniest things I
> ever saw was a
> worker in a zoo feeding a lion by slitting open a huge
> plastic tube of a
> sausage-like stuff and tossing it into the cage. The wrapper
> said "Purina
> Carnivore Chow"
>
> I don't know why it seemed to funny at the time.
Purina Mills makes hundreds of types of Purina * Chow, mainly for zoos, etc.
For example:
Purina Rodent Lab Chow
Purina Horse Chow
Purina Deer Chow
Purina Goat Chow
Purina Monkey Chow
Purina Monkey Chow Jumbo
Purina Ferret Chow
Purina Trout Chow
Purina Cow Chow (small change in the formula produces Purina K'kree Chow)
Purina Nurse Chow (No! It's for nursing baby cows)
Purina High Octane Hog Chow (for your Harley)
Much of the really exotic chows are being sold under the Mazuri name
(www.mazuri.com).
vargr1 UPP-8D9B85
- ---------------------------- Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina.
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:49:15 -0500
From: "Swordy \(Colin Michael\)"
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99
I wish to offer my sincerest apologies for any unintentional destruction I
may have caused. As my number one New Years 2000 resolution I pledge to
cease and desist humorous posts. To achieve this goal I shall run all of my
TML messages through my handy "Leonardizer", which is guaranteed to strip
out any references to topics that are not deadly serious. There is,
however, a fifty-fifty chance that this will cause my posts to come through
empty.
To make up for my past offenses, I am offering a "keyboard credit" to those
who have lost a keyboard due to my carelessness. Turn in your keyboard
receipts to The Traveller Trader ( http://www.downport.com/ttt/ ) for full
credit toward Traveller publications of your choice.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Colin Michael, WebDev
www.downport.com
The Traveller Domain
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Black ICE"
> 02 Dec 99 Jeff Zeitlin Swordy (Colin Michael)
> 12 Dec 99 Dom Mooney Swordy (Colin Michael)
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:39:04 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Drawing Program
In mail you write:
> From: Leonard Erickson
>
>> Not really. For one thing, because there is no "common vector
>>format". There *certainly* isn't one for web graphics. The only
>>*attempt* at one is the folks who have ported RIP (formerly a format
>>for BBS screens) to a web browser add-on.
>
> Really? Cool! Does this add-on still exist? If so, what browser does it work
> with? I miss RIP, and I was just thinking a few weeks ago that I'd love to
> see something similar for webpages.
I think they may have had both Netscape and IE versions.
I think the web site is www.telegrafix.com
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:53:46 -0900
From: "William F. Hostman"
Subject: Re Image Formats
>I never use it, as jpg is so much better for most pictures.
>
>Those that recommend GIF for line drawings miss the point, any line drawing
>is better rendered using a vector format anyway.
>
GIF and PNG both are there to fill a gap that is not filled: downloadable
display graphics.
For web pages, GIFs are often far more flexible than JPG's. GIF's can be
made in 1, 2, 4, or 8 bit, in a variety of sizes. They are generally fairly
low in overhead. They include a pallate of colors, and so are flexible. The
are bitmapped, and so can be displayed with minimal processor cycles.
It takes about 2 times longer to display a .jpg as a .GIF on most machines
I've worked with; I've not seen ANY vector formats supported by stock
browsers.[1] Heck, the only vector formats I've seen discussed that I can
open are .ps and .pdf; both are slow.
[1] by stock, I mean AS IT INSTALLS. No plug ins from ohter packages. Yeah,
NS and IE, with the acrbat plug, will display acrobat pdfs....
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:59:37 -0600 (CST)
From: "Jason Kemp"
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell
From: "Thomas Vickers"
> After our recent thread on the above subject, one of the more
> interesting and sometimes evil posters to the 2300 AD list provided
> me with the following to include in a project I was working on for
> passengers and cargo in 2300.
>
> I think Ben Levy is an engineer in real life, and sometimes he scares me
> with the material he submits to my website.
<>
Wow! Thanks, Thomas, for that great table of ideas and possible
adventure scenarios involving strange and bizzare passengers. Be sure
to thank Ben for us. I'm sure a number of these can be expanded into
some very interesting scenarios. Now, if I can just get a game
going... :(
BTW, are you going to post this on your website or something?
Thanks,
Jason
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:00:58 -0500
From: "David J. Golden"
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Re: winning, losing, and not winning wars (was re: England)
At 09:23 pm 12/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>At 05:47 PM 12/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>At 02:26 pm 12/24/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>>Booth killed Lincoln in 1865, just after the war was
>>>over. Lincoln did not have time to set up the iron
>>>thumb (although his field commanders, occupying the
>>
>> I'm not a historian, but I thought it was *Lincoln* who wanted
>>reconciliation and rebuilding, and the rest of the party that
wanted
>>vengeance. Killing Lincoln probably made things *worse* for the
South
>>...
>>
> Off Topic.
> 2 minutes in the "no keyboard penalty box".
'Kay. It's been two days now, can I come back?
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:06:37 -0500
From: "David J. Golden"
Subject: Re: Texas and Traveller
At 01:09 pm 12/26/99 -0600, Thomas Vickers wrote:
>2) The Government is hiding UFO's in the desert.
OK, who found out and where do I send the cleanup crew?
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:08:05 -0500
From: "David J. Golden"
Subject: Re: in jokes
At 02:24 pm 12/26/99 -0600, you wrote:
>On 12/26/99 at 01:56 PM, Black ICE said:
>
>>Here are a couple I'm fond of:
>
>>General Norman Schwantzkopf, Imperial Army
>
>What's the English translation of Schwartzkopf?
Blackhead.
(The translation of the mispelled name in the original post relies
on a slang expression for the male sexual apparatus ...)
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:11:56 -0500
From: "David J. Golden"
Subject: Re: in jokes
At 12:18 am 12/27/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From:
>
>
>> >General Norman Schwantzkopf, Imperial Army
>>
>> What's the English translation of Schwartzkopf?
>
>Literally "black head", although Schwantzkopf would be "snake head",
or as
"Tail head" -- schwantz is tail, schlange is snake.
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:18:55 -0500
From: "Chris Seamans"
Subject: Re: Drawing Program
From: Leonard Erickson
> I think they may have had both Netscape and IE versions.
>
> I think the web site is www.telegrafix.com
Got it Leonard, thanks muchly!
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:20:00 -0500
From: "Chris Seamans"
Subject: Re: in jokes
From: David J. Golden
> "Tail head" -- schwantz is tail, schlange is snake.
Ach! I got my schwantz and schlange tied. My apologies.
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:17:47 -0600
From: "Thomas Vickers"
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell
BTW, are you going to post this on your website or something?
Thanks,
Jason
Yep,
It is part of my pages concerning cargo contents and passengers for 2300 AD,
so it
will be up later this week, I will post the url if you want.
TV
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:31:41 -0500
From: "David J. Golden"
Subject: Re: Drawing Program
Last post, as it is getting a bit off topic BUT! I do have a tie-in
to make...
>> And I won't even get into the Redhat vs SuSe vs
>> Caldera/gcc vs egcs/libc5 vs glibc/Gnome vs KDE/etc./etc. issues.
>
>No reason to do so anyway, that's like arguing Netscape/IE or
Word/Word
>Perfect , it's a users choice.
Very big reason to, as it has a strong effect on later choices.
Choosing a distribution affects the very layout of files on your
filesystem, as they *are* different. It also affects what other
software is installed besides the kernel itself, and how it's
configured. Not only does this affect something as simple as figuring
out where your log files are, it also impacts installing new
software--files may not be where the author expected them, and
third-party software the author relied on may not be present. GCC vs
egcs and libc vs glibc both critically affect your ability to install
precompiled binaries, as they are *not* completely compatible. Or do
users now need to be able to compile all their own apps? Yes, various
distribution formats are making this easier ... but still not as easy
(for Joe Public) as inserting an AutoRun (*gag*) CD into WinXX.
And every time somebody tries to propose setting "standards" for
Linux, all hades breaks loose. Some have gotten through, but I
remember some fairly upset letters to Linux Journal this past year
after they ran an article about standards efforts
>> Do you *really* think your average user is going to be able to
sort that
>> out?
>
>They *really* don't need to. Your average user can't install or
set-up
>anything on Windows anyway, they just need to use the system.
Windows is not
>easier to _use_, they have the same learning curve.
>
>> All he/she wants to do is plug in a CD, and go.
>
>The average user can't even manage this under Windows anyway.
Most users can, in fact, manage to install new software. Otherwise
CompUSA would go out of business, as the only software anybody would
use it what comes preinstalled. And this is exactly where the lack of
a *single* standard comes into ugly play.
Mind you, I think we're sounding like the choir squabbling in the
back of church, as I'm a very fervent fan of Linux and the whole open
source idea. I just don't think it's quite there yet.
OBTRAV: Yes, I promised one, and this one should be obvious ...
installing new software into your Type/S had better be *much* easier
in the future. You're certainly not going to take it all the way back
to the original world of manufacture, nor will your average crew be
able to write an entire flight control package from scratch. And a
monolithic design like WinBlows (or Wince ...) certainly won't cut
the mustard.
Think of all the fun you could have ... let your players hear about
some new software gewgaw they might like. Maybe Planet X's forte is
offensive software (not that kind, that's simply a matter of taste),
and the crew thinks they can just plug in a new version of Predict to
get an extra 20% of performance, while cutting usage by 10%. Only it
just doesn't go that easy ... *Really* devious refs will let them
THINK it went that easy ...
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:31:39 -0900
From: "William F. Hostman"
Subject: [none]
Leonard Writes:
>Not really. For one thing, because there is no "common vector format".
>There *certainly* isn't one for web graphics. The only *attempt* at one
>is the folks who have ported RIP (formerly a format for BBS screens) to
>a web browser add-on.
>
Would you happen to know the location of a rip plug for the mac? And, if
so, then I'd be looking for a RIP generator.
I know that RipTerm did more than just graphics... it was a wonderful tool
for BBS's, but it didn't really catch on (at least locally) since it
required rip enabled server and client software... And RIPTerm really blew
for non-rip sites.
For the non-initiated, various RipTerm boards allowed several methods of
operation, including: DL Graphics on demand; "Front-End Files" which simply
downloaded specific content into a locally cahced front-end; and Front End
with auto-update on connect. One BBS I dealt with only supported the second
mode; you had to download the RT front-end files in order to get any RIP
materials. A few others only did Graphics on Demand, and so RIP connection
was slow! The graphics files themselves were compact vector images.
RipScript was a combined RIP Graphics and Ansi Text media for delivery of
content. The result was comparable to HTML, but somewhat smoother.
However, it didn't support the range of file-types that HTML did.
William F. Hostman | "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
interface!"
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:37:18 -0500
From: "David J. Golden"
Subject: Re: in jokes
At 05:20 pm 12/27/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: David J. Golden
>
>
>> "Tail head" -- schwantz is tail, schlange is snake.
>
>Ach! I got my schwantz and schlange tied. My apologies.
Yoicks!
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:05:11 -0500
From: "Jory Earl"
Subject: Re:
I tried Ripterm once, I was still using a 286 at the time and thought
Ripterm sucked. (I was already set in my ways using the DOS version of
Telemate)
___________________________________________________________
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___________________________________________________________
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "William F. Hostman"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 5:31 PM
> For the non-initiated, various RipTerm boards allowed several methods of
> operation, including: DL Graphics on demand; "Front-End Files" which
simply
> downloaded specific content into a locally cahced front-end; and Front End
> with auto-update on connect. One BBS I dealt with only supported the
second
> mode; you had to download the RT front-end files in order to get any RIP
> materials. A few others only did Graphics on Demand, and so RIP connection
> was slow! The graphics files themselves were compact vector images.
> RipScript was a combined RIP Graphics and Ansi Text media for delivery of
> content. The result was comparable to HTML, but somewhat smoother.
> However, it didn't support the range of file-types that HTML did.
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