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Traveller-digest Thursday, December 16 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 1508
(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.
All rights reserved.
The following topics are covered in this digest:
Re: Exploding suppressors...
Re: Silly Traveller
RE: US Constitution [OT]
Re: Exploding suppressors...
Re: They're coming! (again)
Re: Re Laws affecting Space Travel from the US [OT]
[BITS] Millennium Announcement
RE: Re-introduction
Re: US Constitution [OT]
Re: OT Suggestions
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
Re: technology advances
Re: Silly Traveller
re: OT Suggestions
Re: laws, shmaws! space belongs to the People!
Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
RE: chicks with guns, and 3I porno
Re: Marines & Cutlasses
Re: Mars exploration
Re: Re-introduction
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:32:40 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Exploding suppressors...
In mail you write:
>> > Worth a read of Iain M Banks' "Consider Phlebas"
>>
>>I'd love to. But the book is "too old" to be in stock at the local
>>bookstores, and too popular to be in stock at the used bookstores
>>(like Powells) that I've checked. Ditto for the rest of his >"Culture"
>>books.
>
> Hell they're all over the bookstores over here...tell me what you're after,
> send some money and I'll work out how huch it'll cost to ship them if you
> like?
I've already been offered a copy of "Consider Phlebas". If I like it, I
may take you up on that. Though it'll probably be cheaper to "special
order" them thru my Friendly Small Bookstore. I hadn't bothered with
*that* because I want to find out if I like them, first. That's why I
wanted "on the shelf", and preferrably "used". :-)
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:35:51 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller
In mail you write:
>> SethKimmel wrote:
>>> supposedly I'm a Cohen (I find it hard to believe
>>> the genealogy is still
>>> uninterrupted from Aaron...), so I can open it...:-)
>>>
>> hehehe willing to bet your life on it?:)
>> My middle name is Aaron, but I wouldn't touch the thing.
>
>
> Leonard wrote:
>>Well, I think *intent* may be a factor here also.
>
>>"Black magic is a matter of symbolism and intent."
>> - Master Sorceror Sean O'Lochlainn
>
>
>
> Hmmm, I'm not sure about that. IIRC the character in the Bible who touched
> the Ark of the Covenant was 'merely' trying to stop it falling when the
> carriers stumbled wasn't he? Presumably he'd have not had any evil designs
> on the thing itself and was genuinely trying to help.
Got a chapter and verse for that? Or at least a chapter?
I grabbed a copy of the King James Bible off the net the other day, so
I can look stuff like that up. There are several "better" versions, but
I'd have had to grab them a chapter at a time, and that's take
*forever*.
> Oh no! I've just realized that this is Leonard I'm arguing with! My
> apologies, I should be struck down myself for even thinking about
> disagreeing...
> :-)
Just kowtow in my direction 3 times and abstain from caffeine until
Christmas and I'll overlook it *this* time. :-)
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:34:10 -0600
From: "Moody, Danny M."
Subject: RE: US Constitution [OT]
The Supremes have their own rule and customs. They pick and choose which
cases to rule on - evidently at the whim of the judges on the court.
They certainly aren't infallible - eg Dred Scott.
Supremes are nominated by the Prez and confirmed by a vote of the Senate.
The post is for life or during 'good behavior'.
Full details can be found at
http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/senate/constitution/toc.html
ObTrav: Modern (or historic) constitutions are a great read for fleshing
out those myriad government datails of the members planets of the 3I.
- -DM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rupert Boleyn [SMTP:rboleyn@paradise.net.nz]
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 Dec 1999 21:11
> To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
> Subject: RE: US Constitution [OT]
>
> On 15 Dec 99, at 15:31, Moody, Danny M. wrote:
>
> > Absolutely untrue! The Supreme Court itself, many, many times have
> stated
> > that denying cert means nothing at all - except that they didn't want to
> > deal with the issue.
>
> Maybe so, but by not hearing cases dealing with a particular issue, the
> Supreme Court is allowing whatever it is that is being appealed against
> to continue.
>
> In the case of gun control by refusing to hear 2nd amendment cases the
> Supreme Court is allowing state and federal gun control laws to exist
> and be enforced regardless of thier constitutional legality.
>
> It strikes me that this is a weakness in the US system - if the Supreme
> Court won't hear cases the constitution can be ignored. How are Supreme
> Court members selected?
>
>
> --
> Rupert Boleyn
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
> A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:53:29 GMT
From: "i Steve"
Subject: Re: Exploding suppressors...
>I've already been offered a copy of "Consider Phlebas". If I like >it, I
>may take you up on that. Though it'll probably be cheaper to >"special
>order" them thru my Friendly Small Bookstore. I hadn't >bothered with
>*that* because I want to find out if I like them, >first. That's why I
>wanted "on the shelf", and preferrably "used". >:-)
Oh you will....CP is so incedibly "Traveller" I was convinced Iain was a
gamer until I asked him. He said he'd always wanted to try but was a little
intimidated by not knowing how. If only I lived nearer to Scotland I'd have
offered him a place in my campaign...
iSteve
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:12:40 +0000
From: SD Mooney
Subject: Re: They're coming! (again)
At 20:55 -0500 15/12/99, Glenn Goffin wrote:
>A contemporary War of the Worlds game would be very
>appropriate, what with the recent losses of Mars
>probes, the "meteorite" falls in Australia, the
>large-scale melting of the Antarctic ice-cap ...
>should you use GURPS rules or Call of Cthulhu?
I think it's 'migo' to answer. That one should be either classified
'Delta Green' or handled by NRO Section DELTA for Majestic 12. ;-)
ObRPG: if looking at this kind of scenario consider Pagan
Publishing's 'Delta Green' for a scary take.
Dom
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------
MiB - Marines in Battledress
"Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:50:53 +0000
From: SD Mooney
Subject: Re: Re Laws affecting Space Travel from the US [OT]
At 7:37 -0500 16/12/99, shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) wrote:
>I don't recall if the story mentions it, but a setup like that on the
>moon would have some marked advantages. The antenna is best laid out as
>a set of radials, not a tall tower. So that saves on materials *and* is
>easier to build.
IIRC, Tarsus' communication system was based off a radio on the moon?
Dom
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------
MiB - Marines in Battledress
"Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:58:39 +0000
From: SD Mooney
Subject: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
BITS - British Isles Traveller Support
http://www.bits.org.uk/
"Something wonderful is going to happen."
... to be continued.
Dom (BITS Webmaster)
- -------------Dom Mooney---webmaster@bits.org.uk----------------
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Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.
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BITS and CORE are trademarks of BITS UK Limited.
All rights reserved.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:58:52 -0800
From: Jesse DeGraff
Subject: RE: Re-introduction
My pleasure :)
Jesse
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Black ICE
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 10:34 PM
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
Subject: Re: Re-introduction
Ross Coburn wrote:
>
<>
>
> So, what are the hot, done to death and overly sensitive topics du jour?
Well, in October we had the dreaded Four Flamewars of the Apocalypse:
**begin quote from October 1999**
> Nooooooooo! It is the time the prophets warned us of so long ago, when
> the Four Flamewars of the Apocalypse would rage over the TML
> simultaneiously! Already we had "where does jump fuel go" and "what was
> the best rules version". Now the terrifying countenance of "what is a
> feudal technocracy" blazes in the heavens. Can it be long before "why
> don't people fight wars with near-c rocks" emerges from the sea to
> complete the prophecy and signal the doom of us all?
Now is the time of the Gathering, when the stroke of a key will unleash
a spray of Pepsi on the keyboard. In the end, there can be only one....
**end quote from October 1999**
As I'm sure you guessed, the "near-c rocks" issue came up again shortly
thereafter.
More recently, we've been working on the Annual TML 2d Amendment
Debate....
On a more positive note, C**f is still off the list....
http://www.vision-forge-graphics.com/jesse/traveller/ditzie.htm
(See the fourth illustration from the top for details.)
[I just _love_ pointing these drawings out! Thanx, Jesse!]
Hope that helps!
- --
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:05:03 -0700
From: Bruce Johnson
Subject: Re: US Constitution [OT]
Kyle Schuant wrote:
> Leonard wrote:
> > Since then the court has *refused* to hear any
> > appeals involving the
> > second amendment.
> > Though it seems a *strong*
> > possibility that the court
> > wants no part of this mess.
> Frankly, I don't blame them. But it seems to me that
> part of letting yourself be appointed to the Supreme
> Court means being willing to get into a "mess". When I
> joined the Army I didn't act surprised when they sent
> me to combat. The SC is there to deal with messy
> issues. If they were simple and clear-cut all the
> time, you wouldn't need the SC.
Well, the Court is also limited in that the issues it can rule on can
only be brought up in the specific form that come to it though the
appeals court. They often wait for just the right case, so as to settle
issues in the broadest fashion possible, to clear up the mess once and
for all. So iften they will not immediately choose relvant cases.
Also, most, if not all gun laws are _state_ laws not federal ones; the
various state supreme courts have to rule on those, before the federal
court sytem even gets a crack at it.
And finally, thanks to the partisan %%#$@%#'s in Congress, the US
Federal court system is woefully understaffed, as they have consistently
refused to even hold hearings on judicial appointments in the main.
I don't care what your opinon of Clinton and his administration is,
blocking juducial appointments on the basis of partisan politics is not
governance, but political games. The R's seem to have the idea of 'We
don't like your politics, so we just won't approve any judges until we
get someone in the presidency that we like...until then the American
people can go hang...'
This is exactly the kind of thing that caused Cleon I to become Emperor
Cleon....
- --
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:41:41 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: OT Suggestions
In mail you write:
> Sorry for the off topic post, but this last has people who can help!
>
> I'll be migrating from Window to a new PowerMac G-4/400 next week and
> wondered what the "must have" utilities and software were. Other than the
> Rob Prior Trav items over on BITS' site, what do you recommend?
>
> Feel free to reply off list to keep the noise down.
Well, as someone who hadsn't "migrated" but has "expanded my horizons"
by picking up old Macs (I'm now up to an SE) I can tell you the things
that I found usefull.
First, Z-Term. It's a decent terminal program, supports PC characters
and ANSI fairly well, and let's you use Zmodem to move stuff around.
You'll also want copies of the Mac archivers Stuffit (produces SIT
files) and Compact Pro (CPT files). And a copy of BinHex 4. These will
make getting software from BBSes or via email *much* easier.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:16:01 +0000
From: Ewan Quibell
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
Go on then I'll bite ....
What ?
Or are you just building the anticipation ?
Ewan
SD Mooney wrote:
>
> BITS - British Isles Traveller Support
> http://www.bits.org.uk/
>
> "Something wonderful is going to happen."
>
> ... to be continued.
>
> Dom (BITS Webmaster)
- --
Ewan Quibell Their's not to make reply,
Senior Communications Engineer Their's not to reason why,
Computer Centre Their's but to do and die:
University of Brighton Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
E.D.Quibell@brighton.ac.uk Alfred, Lord Tennyson
#include
My spelling is entirerly due to dyslexia, typos, and poetic license
University of Brighton - Sunday Times' University of the Year
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:16:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony Jackson
Subject: Re: technology advances
Leonard Erickson writes:
> > Unfortunately, that's sort of a prerequisite for getting into orbit.
>
> Not really. It's a requirement for getting the last possible ounce of
> payload for a given amount of fuel. But I've read articles by folks
> involved with several different "alternative launch systems" that say
> much what I did.
Well, a 10% reduction in efficiency corresponds to around a 40% reduction in payload for a typical design. Most 'alternative launch systems' have one thing in common: they're experimental and not yet ready for production. It doesn't take any special assumptions to have a design which will be ready for use in 2005 to outperform a design which was finalized in 1982.
> This is why multi-stage rockets were invented. They are *not*
> inherently "one use".
Nothing in what I said is contradicted by multi-stage rockets.
> Startups start out by designing and testing launchers for small
> payloads. And for your information, it is possible for "high power"
> model rockets to orbit payloads. Nobody has done it yet because not
> only is it expensive, but getting the flight plan approved would be a
> nightmare.
Calling it a 'model rocket' at that point is pushing it, but I can believe its possible. I doubt the payload percentage is very high, though.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:18:51 +0000
From: Timothy.Collinson@solent.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller
I'd written:
> Hmmm, I'm not sure about that. IIRC the character in the Bible who
touched
> the Ark of the Covenant was 'merely' trying to stop it falling when the
> carriers stumbled wasn't he? Presumably he'd have not had any evil
designs
> on the thing itself and was genuinely trying to help.
Leonard (very fairly) asked:
>Got a chapter and verse for that? Or at least a chapter?
Drat! I knew you'd ask that. Fortunately, I work in a Library and after a
bit of a hunt...
2 Samuel 6 (and the same story in 1 Chronicles 13)
the relevant bit is this for those who can't be bothered to look it up:
"Once more David called together the best soldiers in Israel, a total of
thirty thousand men, and led them to Baalah in Judah, in order to bring
there God's Covenant Box, bearing the name of the Lord Almighty, whose
throne is above the winged creatures. They took it from Abinadab's home on
the hill and placed it on a new cart. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab,
were guiding the cart, with Ahio walking in front. David and all the
Israelits were dancing and singing with all their might to honour the Lord.
They were playing harps, lyres, drums, rattles, and cymbals.
As they came to the threshing-place of Nacon, the oxen stumbled, and Uzzah
reached out and took hold of the Covenant Box. At once the Lord God became
angry with Uzzah and killed him because of his irrevrance. Uzzah died
there beside the Covenant Box, and so that place has been called Perez
Uzzah (Punishment of Uzzah) ever since. David was furious because the Lord
had punished Uzzah in anger." (Today's English Version - something of a
paraphrase - i.e. 'liberal modern language' translation).
(It then goes on about David being too scared to move it, it blessing the
home of the guy who stored it for 3 months, and then David - having heard
about the blessing - moving it to Jerusalem. He dances in front of it
wearing very little and has his wife object to the embarrassment. The
chapter bluntly finishes: "she never had any children".)
A commentary I found says this:
"The punishment of Uzzah has often been objected to as excessive,
especially as his intention was good. Addording to the law the ark had to
be treated with very great reverence as a symbol of God's presence, e.g.,
not to be touched but carried on staves (Exodus 25:14,15. cf Numbers
4:15,20). The majesty of the holy One was symbolized by the ark. It was
necessary to teach the Israelites the infinite holiness of God even if by
'terrible acts'. The ark had been in the house of Abinadab for between 70
and 80 years. His son Eleazar had been consecrated to care for it (1
Samuel 7:1). Uzzah and Ahio must have been sons of Abinadab in the wide
sense of 'descendants' - in this case 'grandsons'. Having had the ark so
long in their home they might have been expected to have learned the sacred
regulations concerning it. The narrative shows, however, that neither
they, nor David, nor his advisers, did so, although the priests and Levites
were concerned in the arrangements (1 Chronicles 13:1-8). The Levitical
laws laid down that the ark must be carried by the Levites, but they could
not come near it till it was covered by the priests, and they must not
touch it except by staves on pain of death (cf. Numbers 4:5, 15, 19, 20.
See also 1 Chronicles 15:2)."
For further adventures of the Ark (called the Covenant Box in the version I
have to hand) try 1 Samuel 4, 5, 6 and the beginning of 7. Here you get
all sorts of stuff about the disasters that the Philistines experienced
when they captured the Ark in a battle.
>I grabbed a copy of the King James Bible off the net the other day, so
>I can look stuff like that up. There are several "better" versions, but
>I'd have had to grab them a chapter at a time, and that's take
>*forever*.
Urh, an hour and a quarter with two of us dividing the work and a fast
University connection... . I *didn't* say that.
Anyway, to find an obligatory Traveller bit I'm sure you've all been
thinking up ways that an odd religion might have a sacred object with just
such characteristics even if it's not the actual Ark as has been discussed.
Elvis' guitar anyone? But how about if there was some perfectly valid
(scientfic) reason why it does kill anyone who touches it? I'm sure
Leonard will have a few up his sleeve.
tc
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:12:48 +0000
From: SD Mooney
Subject: re: OT Suggestions
At 11:39 -0500 16/12/99, Kurt Feltenberger wrote:
>I'll be migrating from Window to a new PowerMac G-4/400 next week and
>wondered what the "must have" utilities and software were. Other than the
>Rob Prior Trav items over on BITS' site, what do you recommend?
>
>Feel free to reply off list to keep the noise down.
There are fully enabled versions of Rob's other Traveller material at
my website:
http://www.cybergoths.u-net.com/
Otherwise:
Commercial:
MacLink Plus 11 - Conversion software for dealing with PCs
Toast 4 - CD Authoring
Stuffit Deluxe - Mac Standard Compression software
Other:
Palm Desktop - organiser software free from Palm.com which works
great as a stand alone package.
Fetch - FTP software
Eudora Lite (or full)
Escape Velocity (shareware game)
Marathon collection (3D shooter)
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
Tip: If you're playing a CD and launch another app (eg Eudora and
check the mail) and the sound disappears, click on the little
microphone & CD symbol on the control strip (the little tab on the
side of your screen if enabled, which allows you to change the sound
source). When MacOS went to version 8.1+ any app can change the sound
sources - ocassionally, you may want to reselect the original
settings.
Tip2: If you click and a half (ie click then hold down) the mouse
pointer turns to a magnifying glass and you can open folders with it
by placing it over them and waiting. You can navigate down a number
of layers like that and when you release only the last window (and
the first) remains open. This also works if you drag a file over a
folder and hold it with the button depressed.
And I am jealous of your G4, but welcome to the lands beyond the
Wintel Hegemony ;-)
Dom
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------
MiB - Marines in Battledress
"Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:09:33 EST
From: KenRoney@aol.com
Subject: Re: laws, shmaws! space belongs to the People!
The situation governing the exploitation of resources located in outer space is very murky. I just finished writing a law review article on the topic. There is a point to be made that space is the "common heritage of mankind" but that means different things to different people, the US government has never felt that it means much more than it did under the old law of the sea. And yes, there is a UN treaty (the 1979 Moon Agreement) that appears to say that the resources would be essentially confiscated and then "equitably" distributed by the leaders of the majority Third World nations, but that treaty has only been ratified by nine nations, so it applies to you readers who reside in Australia, but as a US citizen, I can ignore it. Given that the major powers are reverting to the time honored tradition of blowing off (or blowing away) minor powers that get in their way, it appears that the real barrier to the exploitation of these resources is likely political opposition by!
e!
nvironmental/humanitarian/anti-tech factions in the developing nations and the chilling effect that nebulous property rights will have upon both potential developers and the financial community. Still, the potential is so huge that SOMEBODY, somewhere is likely to start in a couple of decades once costs to orbit are brought down by the coming SSTO's.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:33:33 -0800
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)
Subject: Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno
>From: "Kelly St.Clair"
>Subject: Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno
...
>>That is, after all, exactly what happened in the
>>American Revolution. The people overthrew the British
>>colonial government.
>
>However, for reasons that should be obvious to the astute reader, the
>people who are currently in charge of USGov prefer not to mention this
>interpretation of the Second Amendment very much. (It might give people
>ungood ideas.)
Hasn't this pertained since at least the 1850's or so? :)
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:13:47
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement
At 03:58 PM 12/16/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>BITS - British Isles Traveller Support
>http://www.bits.org.uk/
>
>"Something wonderful is going to happen."
"My God, it's full of penguins..."
- --
Douglas E. Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:17:48
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: RE: chicks with guns, and 3I porno
At 09:41 AM 12/16/1999 +1300, you wrote:
>I always knew there was a reason to mount up pairs of MGs. They wait
>for the pause in firing , stick thier heads up, just in time for gun
>no.2
Back in WWII, the M-1 Garand annoucned it was empty by ejecting the
stripper clip with a very loud pinging noise. Germany troops would hear
this sound and try to move in the few seconds in would take the Ami to reload.
Then the Americans for a spring that made the exact same noise...
- --
Douglas E. Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
"We were the perfect partners. Her life was out of a Norman Rockwell
painting; mine was out of a Tim Burton movie." -"Law & Order"
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:32:45
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: Marines & Cutlasses
At 10:49 AM 12/16/1999 +1100, you wrote:
> I apologise if this has been raised before but why do Marines get the
>Cutlass? They never used them historically, Marines started out using
>Muskets and Bayonets and even the officers used a different sword. Enlisted
>Naval personnel were the main users of the Cutlass, they also used Boarding
>Axes and Boarding Pikes as well all though these don't seem to be an option.
The same reason that the US Army has a Cavalry Division. Tradition!
The Imperial Marines trace their lineage to the Sylean Navy's Landing
Force. That service traces back to a Rule of Man Marine unit that was
stranded on Sylea during Twilight. The RoM Marines trace back to the
Terran Confederation, which drew shock troops from units like the USMC, the
Royal Marines, various elite airborne units.
So the concept of the Cutlass is an important link to the Marines' long
history. In practise, the Marines teach swordplay as a conditioning
exercise, as a method of improving body control (important when you are
fighting in battle dress), and as an easy shipboard recreational activity.
Any stretch of corridor can be turned into a piste, with electronic scoring.
- --
Douglas E. Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/sylea.html
TML Great Old One
Plague of the Traveller Riders of the Apocalypse
Chant "Gridlore" thrice to summon.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:34:09
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: Mars exploration
At 09:13 PM 12/16/1999 +1100, you wrote:
>>None of this relates to mars exploration, of course. There's no
>commercial reason to go there.
>
>Yet ....
There was no reason to go to the New World either. (Drinking my chocolate
milk, staring at the tobacco ad on the back of the magazine near me...)
- --
Douglas E. Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:40:16
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: Re-introduction
At 12:33 AM 12/16/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>Now is the time of the Gathering, when the stroke of a key will unleash
>a spray of Pepsi on the keyboard. In the end, there can be only one....
Spllufff...
50,000mV power cables wired to it>
- --
Douglas E. Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
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