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Date: 11/11/99 3:49:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Traveller-digest Thursday, November 11 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 1335
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All rights reserved.
The following topics are covered in this digest:
Re: The Generation Ship in SF (was Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea)
Re: Travshorts II
Other lists (was: Re: Vilani Dictionary)
Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
Exoticon II Attendees?
Re: Other lists (was: Re: Vilani Dictionary)
Re: Read all about it ! Sixth Frontier War! It's Official! (... or not)
Re: Arts and Culture in and around 3I
Re: Recovering disabled grav vehicles
Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
Getting in touch w/ Jesse...
Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)
Re: Zhodani
re: Sixth Frontier War!
Re: Evolution (was ...and the drifting generation ship)
Re: Cultures
Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
Re: Cultures
Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea
Re: How do fuel tanks work?
Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
Re: Zhodani Govt.
Pacifist groups in the 3I
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:09:12 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: The Generation Ship in SF (was Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea)
In mail you write:
> Leonard wrote:
>>There's another one that I can't recall the author of. It's got a
>>pseudo Aztec culture living in a mountain valley. And then our hero
>>decides to break the taboos and go exploring. He climbs the monutains
>>and finds that they touch the sky! Turns out the "valley" is the inside
>>of a generation ship. I can't recall why the passengers were handled
>>that way.
>
>
> I haven't seen this answered (except by people suggesting it was a Star
> Trek episode) but I think you may have been thinking of Harry Harrison's
> 'Captive Universe'. Only the book's in the attic at home and I'm at work
> so I can't easily check!
I think you may have the answer. That sounds about right.
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Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:56:58 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Travshorts II
In mail you write:
>
>> > >Go ahead and laugh, human. The Electron Liberation Front will have it's
>> > >revenge!
>> >
>> >ELF, eh? I thought they were limited to aquatic operations.
>>
>> Mmm... Elf... The other white meat....
>
> You leave Mr. Sternberg out of this.
>
> Marc Miller wouldn't approve.
Probably not, on the other hand, consider an alternate timeline where
Pendor exists, but doesn't "decloak" until the time of the Third
Imperium.
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:30:06 +0100
From: "Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm"
Subject: Other lists (was: Re: Vilani Dictionary)
Thom Jones-Low wrote:
> I know about the traveller culture list.
What other Traveller lists are there, and how do I subscribe to them?
/Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:37:15 +0100
From: "Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm"
Subject: Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
Richard Wilson replied to a post by Carlos Alos-Ferrer:
> I'm confused. Is it inappropriate because it glorifies violence-which
> never happens in any traveller universe-or because it has a subtle nod
> to patriotism and nationalism?
Please... all of you... no flames. I started (well, it takes at least
two people, but...) a h#ll of a flamewar last time I was subscribed to
this list, and I would hate to see another war break out here, now that
I have finally returned. As some who were subscribed during that war
might recall about me, I would like to say a thing or two about this
thread.
I don't.
I have decided to keep my opinions to myself, and to keep my posts as
on-topic as possible (or, occassionally, at neutral, fun topics ;-)
I suggest that everyone does the same.
/Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm
Linkoeping, Sweden
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:36:13 -0600
From: Black ICE
Subject: Exoticon II Attendees?
Is anyone here planning to attend Exoticon II in Metairie (suburban New
Orleans), LA? It's a relaxicon being held 19-21 November 1999. More
info is available at:
http://www.exoticon.net
Maybe we can cook up some k'kree boudin.... ;-)
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:42:33 -0600
From: Black ICE
Subject: Re: Other lists (was: Re: Vilani Dictionary)
Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm wrote:
>
> Thom Jones-Low wrote:
>
> > I know about the traveller culture list.
>
> What other Traveller lists are there, and how do I subscribe to them?
Well, there's the Imperial Ship Builders' Association (ISBA) list, for
those who are interested in entering The Highly Unofficial Democratic
Design Derby (THUDDD). To subscribe to the list currently in use
(ISBA2), send an e-mail to:
Majordomo@oasis.leo.org
with the following phrase in the body of your message:
subscribe isba
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:40:26 GMT
From: j_pete@bellsouth.net (Pete)
Subject: Re: Read all about it ! Sixth Frontier War! It's Official! (... or not)
On Tue, 09 Nov 1999 21:58:25 -0600, Black ICE
wrote:
>> >On the other hand, it gives a great excuse to play "Rambo" and try for
>> >a rescue mission.
>>
>> How many does it take? Are one million POWs worth going to war for?
>> One hundred thousand? One? Where do you draw the line?
I should note here that the whole idea just rose my hackles. The idea
of thousands of POWs being held after a war is over just ticks me off.
This is despite the fact that these POWs are imperials and I am of
course a loyal solomani. ;-)
>That, sir, depends on whether you have read, and agree with, _Starship
>Troopers_.
Twice and yes.
>I suspect that the Emperor and his advisors have not attended History
>and Moral Philosoph classes under LtCol DuBois et al, so I would expect
>the Imperium to consider a relative handful of PWs as a regrettable
>circumstance, rather than as a _casus belli_.
>
>As far as mounting a rescue mission goes, that would depend on at least
>these two factors:
>
>1. Where are the PWs being held?
>
>2. How many PWs are being held there?
>
>Given that "Colonel de Bessier maintains that from 2,000 to as many as
>10,000 Imperial personnel are held at a number of locations within the
>Zhodani Consulate, and that seven of these locations have been
>'positively identified'", I would expect that no rescue effort short of
>all-out invasion would be able to retrieve more than a handful of these
>PWs. IMHO, it would be highly improbable that a successful rescue
>mission could be mounted on any site deeper than 5-6 parsecs inside
>Zhodani space.
>
>Of course, humans have the amazing ability to confound those who say
>something is impossible/improbable....
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:45:56 GMT
From: j_pete@bellsouth.net (Pete)
Subject: Re: Arts and Culture in and around 3I
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:58:31 -0500, "Chris Seamans"
wrote:
>There was a RICE paper article that detailed Aslan "Trokh Ofera" , Aslan
>"talk opera". All in all a nifty idea. There was also a JTAS that detailed
>K'Kree scent-sculptures as part of an adventure. I'm sure that there are
>many more that I'm forgetting.
>
There's the Darrian flame sculptures from Alien Module 8.
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:56:22 -0800
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)
Subject: Re: Recovering disabled grav vehicles
>From: Robert Conley
>Subject: Re: Recovering disabled grav vehicles
>
>Why do we need a separate vechile. Why can't we have a control module, and
>a series of standard grav lift modules of which are self powered.
>that you attach to the disabled vechile. The whole thing is controlled by
Is it just me, or isn't the issue of attaching these pods going to be
non-trivial, and potentially pretty damned exciting with all the power
cables running to the control module/crew cabin?
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:59:21 -0500
From: "Chris Seamans"
Subject: Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
From: Richard Wilson
>So that's what armies are for. Wow! It's true, you do learn something new
>every day.
Methinks somebody wants to start a flamewar on this otherwise peaceful list.
>I'm confused. Is it inappropriate because it glorifies violence-which never
>happens in any traveller universe-or because it has a subtle nod to
>patriotism and nationalism?
Any confusion is purely on your part. Carlos made it perfectly clear what it
was about the post that he objected to. A further note: violence never
actually happens in the Traveller Universe, as it is complete and total
fiction. Violence - that which leaves mothers crying for their children, and
that which leaves young men who have barely lived their lives screaming,
dying, cold and afraid with their entrails steaming in the mud - only
happens in the real world.
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:46:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Cook
Subject: Getting in touch w/ Jesse...
>
Folks, Jesse is having ongoing ISP troubles and isn't currently receiving
the TML. He hopes to have this ironed out *real* soon, but in the mean-
time, should any of you need to contact him, you should do so directly
via one of his e-mail addresses. They are given as follows:
> I can be reached (hopefully) at jdegraff@pacbell.net or at
> jesse_degraff@acer.com. Make sure you include the underscore!
- Mark C.
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:23:28 +1000
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au
Subject: Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)
Dear Folks -
Frank said (more or less):
>"A Canticle for Liebowitz"
=
>"A Coke for Kiri"
I'd wondered if anyone else picked that up, or if it was just me...
>"Flowers for Algernon"
Wow! Another in the series - well-spotted! ;-)
In regards to "A Coke for Kiri":
You'll have to make sure that the new book in the series is as haunting and
tragically beautiful as the first two...
:-)
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:37:53 +1000
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au
Subject: Re: Zhodani
Dear Folks -
William wrote:
>Not particularly likely... there is no evidence of "sustained phenomena" in
>the rules nor in canon, nor is there any evidence of direct psionically
>active hardware (with the possible exception of Virus, but that's for
>another day/flame-war).
Have you forgotten flick-switches? You could have an "active painting" that has
these in the back, set to change the painting's colours. An art event could
include visitors as active participants, each trying to set the painting up in a
certain way, with the resultant jumble of colours becoming the final work.
Zhodani "Blue Poles", anyone??
Now all you need is an Imperial museum that decides to buy the work for some
ridiculous amout of money, with the PC's sent to transport the painting across
the border (not knowing about the highly illegal flick switches built into the
thing), with rich Impy art collectors sending art pirates after them, etc etc...
Sounds like an adventure to me!
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:47:08 +1000
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au
Subject: re: Sixth Frontier War!
Dear Folks -
Walt posed:
>To the "benevolent Zhodani" camp: are the Zho's warm and understanding
>psychotherapists to their loving proles, and evil mind-rapers to outsiders?
Just another question for the 3257th Philosophy Battalion (the "Descartes
Demons") to ponder, eh Doug?
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:40:36 +1000
From: Graeme_Batho@agd.nsw.gov.au
Subject: Re: Evolution (was ...and the drifting generation ship)
Shimmergloom said:
>So if I made this ship the size of a small moon I should have no problems.
I have a very bad feeling about this.
Graeme
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:50:06 -0700
From: cos 90
Subject: Re: Cultures
>> Anyone remember the cheesy sci-fi about the humans on the Arc?
>
>Earthship Ark. Had an actor that was later Chekov (SP?) didn't it?
The series you're referring to is called The Starlost, a Canadian-produced
series from around 1973. It was awful. (Most Canadian-produced TV was awful
back then...). The series was about three young people aboard a great big
huge starship, Earthship Ark, which was sent into space in response to some
kind of disaster back on Earth (I'm not sure we ever find out just what kind
of disaster it was.) The ship consisted of several dozen "biospheres" all
connected to a central "core" shaft that was probably at least 100 miles
long...
Anyway, several hundred years later, the inhabitants of one of the biospheres,
a low-tech agrarian community, have for some reason forgotten that they are
on board a spaceship. Three young people from the biosphere manage to find
the exit into the rest of the ship and go exploring, and discover that they
are in fact aboard a great big huge spaceship -- and that the spaceship is
no longer under anyone's control and is on a collision course with a nearby
star. The series had our intrepid trio going from one biosphere to the next
looking for someone who knew how to regain control of the ship and avert the
collision.
(Most of this is from memory, as it's been a couple of decades since I've
seen it...)
A few bits of trivia about the series:
- - It was created by Harlan Ellison, who when he saw how bad the result was
asked for his name to be removed from the credits; the credits list the
series creator as "Cordwainer Bird", an Ellison pseudonym.
- - The star of the series was Keir Dullea, star of 2001 A Space Odyssey.
- - Co-star Robin Ward's voice can be heard narrating the second Twilight
Zone series, seen here and there in syndication. (This TZ series is the
one produced in the late 1980s.)
- - Walter Koenig appeared in two episodes as Oro, an alien who finds the
Ark and for some reason decides not to help. Had the series continued
into a second season, Oro would likely have appeared in a few more episodes.
Since this was 1973, this was after his work on the original Star Trek
series.
This was a *bad* series, boys and girls. I keep hoping that Space, Canada's
cable SF channel, will pick it up...
Glenn St-Germain § Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
cos90@powersurfr.com § http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn
"There is no longer any normal to be"
-- Gary Numan
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:57:06 -0700
From: cos 90
Subject: Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
>> FW: (Fwd) FW: IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......In time for Remembrance
Day.....
>
>Not to rain on your parade, but I read this list precisely, among
>other things, to forget that there is people out there who choose to
>be soldiers and are ready to kill those of us who choose peace.
1. I always thought the job of our soldiers was to defend and protect
us against those who would kill those of us who choose peace. Were it
not for our soldiers (meaning all on the side of the Allies) in World
War II, this mailing list would likely not exist.
2. Traveller is a game in which one of the most popular campaign types
involves mercenaries and other ex-military types. If you're wanting
to forget about soldiers, methinks you're on the wrong list. (No offence.)
Be that as it may, the off-topic post to which you are responding did
not belong on this list in the first place, and the perpetrator should
be punished by being placed in the path of a near-c asteroid in the
company of female Aslan in comfortable shoes.
Glenn St-Germain § Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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"There is no longer any normal to be"
-- Gary Numan
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:38:51 -0800
From: Richard Hough
Subject: Re: Cultures
At 11:09 AM -0500 11/10/99,
owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com (Traveller-diges wrote:
> > Anyone remember the cheesy sci-fi about the humans on the Arc?
>
>Earthship Ark. Had an actor that was later Chekov (SP?) didn't it?
The Starlost, an extremely low-budget Canadian sci-fi TV series which
came out in 1973, after Star Trek. Walter Koenig was in several
episodes.
I can understand why you thought it came out before Star Trek; the
effects were so primitive it looks like something made by a
high-school drama class.
This program was the result of some hard work by eastern Canadian
sci-fi fans, who got Harlan Ellison to write the pilot and Douglas
Trumbull to produce it. Unfortunately, the budget could not meet
Ellison's vision for the series and he disavowed it. He even demanded
they change his name in the credits to "Cordwainer Bird".
I remember reading an essay from someone involved with the series.
The budget constraints and clueless management were so extreme it was
funny. Ellison was in a huge argument with a "professional"
(non-sci-fi) writer who thought a "backup computer" was something
that made the spaceship fly in reverse.
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rdhough@telus.net
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:42:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Terry Mixon
Subject: Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
- --- Carlos Alos-Ferrer wrote:
Note: I am responding to one narrow aspect of Calos's statment and
totally respect his opinions, even any that I disagree with.
> Not to rain on your parade, but I read this list precisely, among
> other things, to forget that there is people out there who choose to
> be soldiers and are ready to kill those of us who choose peace.
As someone that served as a soldier, I can assure you that I did not,
and most soldiers do not, join the military to slay
those who choose peace. At least in the USA. I joined to protect
those who choose peace from those who choose otherwise. I disagree
strongly with the above opinion you hold on the narrow reasons
why someone would join the military and find it to be insulting.
I do not however, hold anything against Carlos for holding said
opinion.
I have realized over the years that it is futile to
try to alter a strongly held opinion. So this is not an attempt at
a debate or a call for any kind of flame war. I game with Carlos
and respect him as a person. All I ask in return is the same
respect for my not wanting to be thought of as some kind of violent,
mindless brute bent on destroying everyone devoted to peace and
taking some umbrage from what was probably a hasty comment made on,
as he said, a bad day. In no way should this be mis-construed as
an attack on Carlos or any peace movement.
That said, I appologize for any who feel my coments a waste of
bandwidth.
On Topic Traveller:
Does anyone have any firm anti-violence groups active in their
Traveller universe? What d they do? How does the Imperium
see them?
Terry
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:49:41 -0800
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella"
Subject: Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea
Via electronic medium on 11/8/99 7:43 AM, Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us wrote:
>> Also didn't Behind the Claw alude to a group of RoM era stl ships heading
>> toward the Marches?
>
> Yes, they did mention it. Still no word on whether it's going to be
> used for official stuff, but most likely it's out there for us to
> play with. Sounds like it would fit the scenario quite well,
> although I can't really see the Leader of the Cons completing the
> trip back to Terra without at least some serious consideration on his
> capacities to impact his former homeworld. But it is food for
> thought....
I just got BtC, and I love it! I agree that the STL craft (Long Night era,
Solomani markings) were probably put out for us to play with, but given a 45
year ETA, there is plenty of time for some TNS style updates on their
location/status and related stories as backdrop to a GT: Campaign book. I'd
say 3:1 odds that was a thought of SJG.
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:20:57 -0800
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella"
Subject: Re: How do fuel tanks work?
Via electronic medium on 11/8/99 8:18 PM, cos90@powersurfr.com wrote:
> .... you realize of course that I am making this up as I go along... :)
Shhhhh, I'm suspending my disbelief. ;)
Actually, that's a very interesting idea...
Thanks!
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:56:48 +1300
From: "Andrew Moffatt-Vallance"
Subject: Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
Okay, now please everyone calm down. Please remember everyone is
entitled to their own opinions, everyone is entitled to their own privacy, and
we don't need yet another pointless flame war on the ethics of war and
military service. The original post was (IMHO) off topic, inapproriate and
illconsidered (in that this was almost a guaranteed result). Can everyone
please remember that the pacifist who died in Dachau is just as dead and
just as worthy of respect as the private who died on Omaha beach. IMHO
the 11th of the 11th is best left for silence refection.
Andrew etc
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:57:42 +0100 (MET)
From: Tommy Grav
Subject: Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Terry Mixon wrote:
>Does anyone have any firm anti-violence groups active in their
>Traveller universe? What d they do? How does the Imperium
>see them?
Scenario: The group has just been in their first fire-fight in an urban area,
possibly destroing some building, cars and such. A local interstellar
anti-violence group starts stalking the group while in the local main
making demonstrations outside their hotell, getting in the way of
their job, and making their lives high media profile (not in a good
way :-)
>Terry
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:19:43 -0800
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella"
Subject: Re: Zhodani Govt.
Via electronic medium on 11/9/99 11:47 PM, GypsyComet@aol.com wrote:
> To answer the obvious question, I am a "benevolent" Zhodani proponent. Such
> is required to have a functional society over six thousand years. The
> "malevelant" brain-sucking, Prole-enslaving Zhodani model is a good one for
> raw Space Opera enemies (who won't last more than a generation or two)
> because it is ideally suited to the "war-machine disguised as a functional
> society" type of state. If someone wants to use the Zhodani for that in their
> game that's fine, but don't try to convince me that it's true in the OTU.
I see it as somewhere between the two extremes and shifting a bit towards
one pole or the other. Very interesting stuff in these posts so far.
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:48:41 +0000
From: "Carlos Alos-Ferrer"
Subject: Pacifist groups in the 3I
(I am not going to continue a non-Traveller discussion here. I just
won't let people think that such comments are welcomed by all - I
want them Off-list). Now, On Topic...
> >Does anyone have any firm anti-violence groups active in their
> >Traveller universe? What d they do? How does the Imperium
> >see them?
> >Terry
In my 3I (which I do not use much since I moved the area of play
Beyond The Extents), Delphi sector was heavily colonized by terrans
of asian origin. This gave a special twist to the later high
corporate influence in Margaret's Stronghold during the Rebellion.
During an old FTF adventure, I introduced a pacifist movement
following (partly) in spirit Yukio Mishima's ideas, vaguely linked
to buddist religion. An Army without more weapons that those used for
ritual suicide, willing to die but not to kill, with the firm belief
that nobody has the right to take one life, except the own. They were
called "Life Fighters" or "Mishimans."
They were sort of a peaceful resistance against the
growing corporate power. Their ritual, spectacular suicides as
protest for specific corporate acts (like causing planetary wars to
control mineral resources) received a disproportionate media coverage
and caused negative demand reactions among the consumers, eventually
forcing the corporations to pay attention to the movement.
Some of their leaders made it into Margaret's counsel, which gave her
some politically acceptable excuses for her retreat policy (which was
actually caused by her focus in economics and ignorance of any
military art).
They broke with Margaret after the Geoneecide, at the beginning of
Hard Times, when Margaret's followers started hunting down Geonee.
Carlos Alos-Ferrer
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