Subj: Traveller-digest V1999 #1545
Date: 12/21/99 3:45:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com (Traveller-digest)
Sender: owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com
Reply-to: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
To: traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com
Traveller-digest Tuesday, December 21 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 1545
(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.
All rights reserved.
The following topics are covered in this digest:
RE: Traveller roadshows
Re: Canada
Re: Calendar compliance
RE: How much should a starship cost
Re: How much should a starship cost
RE: Canada
RE: [OT] War of 1812
..and it comes with a fresher! (OT)
RE: survival kit
RE: War of 1812
Re: Looking for Far Trader Deckplans
Re: [OT} Mental Health in Australia
Re: How much should a starship cost
Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)
Re: United States
Re: ..and it comes with a fresher! (OT)
Re: SF Trav game
Re: War of 1812
Re: England
Re: [OT] Politically Correct Season's Greetings...
Re:War of 1812
Re: CT to T4 power conversion (Was: Re: Asteroid Mining)
Re: The Death of Q
Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1544
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:51:05 +0000
From: SD Mooney
Subject: RE: Traveller roadshows
At 13:33 -0500 21/12/99, "Mark Preston" wrote:
>Really? Where in the north? I'm in Lancashire, near Rochdale.
>[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of i Steve
>iSteve
>
>PS anytime anyone's passing through the North of England, give me a
>yell....
On the Wirral, by Liverpool and Chester.
Dom
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------
"We tell the tales of heroes to remind ourselves that we too
can be great" - John Wick, 7th Sea
http://www.cybergoths.u-net.com http://www.bits.org.uk/
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:07:42 -0800
From: "Wayne Ewart"
Subject: Re: Canada
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Feltenberger"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Canada
> At 12:47 PM 12/21/1999 -0800, you wrote:
> >I heard recently that Canada was named by Spanish
> >explorers who were looking for ancient civilizations,
> >cities of gold, and mujeres con tres tetas (as one of
> >Cabeza de Vaca's companions is said to have testified
> >after their return to Spanish possessions).
> >
> >Anyway, the Spaniards ended up north of their
> >destination, and were rather disappointed with what
> >they saw. Asked later to describe the new territory,
> >they said, "que nada", which eventually became
> >pronounced Canada.
> >
> >Do the Canadians on the list know whether this story
> >is correct?
>
> Not a Canadian, but IIRC it was a Native American word/phrase 'Kanata' or
> some similar spelling that referred to a local landmark.
it referres to a village. French exploreres misstook the word 'Kanata'
(meaning the village they were being brought to) as being the name of the
land and marked there maps as such, but spelled 'Canada'
Wayne
wewart@home.com
icq22113294
http://www.members.home.net/wewart/wewart/traveller/
Give a man fire and he is warm for the night.
Set a man on fire and he is warm all his life.
- - Terry Pratchett
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:08:23 +1000
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au
Subject: Re: Calendar compliance
Dear Folks -
Leonard wrote:
>Frankly, it's a virtual *certainty* that most worlds will have local
>clocks and local calendars *in addition to* the Imperial ones.
This is supported in canon by equipment such as the high-tech "universal
timepiece". After a few hours, it works out the rotation period of the world and
adjusts itself to show "local time" as well as Imperial...
Sorry, can't remember its exact name, it was in the MT equipment list and fully
detailed (with pics) in Grand Survey/World Builder's Handbook.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw davidjw@pcug.org.au
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
REQ'D DISCLAIMER - material & opinions contained within are solely those
of the author and do not necessarily represent, in whole or in part, the
position of Centrelink or any other Commonwealth Government agency.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:14:53 -0800
From: "Thing"
Subject: RE: How much should a starship cost
On Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:04 PM
Anthony Jackson said,
> Assuming you don't want every free trader to be quite
> wealthy, an order of magnitude reduction in the cost of a
> basic trade ship is in order...
I've played with this by hand waving the costs in the books as Military
grade equipment. This makes civilian cargo vessels extremely fragile in
comparison to military ships, so combat is a big no-no. Also the
civilian jump drives have less redundancies and fail safes than the
military models causing the chances of misjumps from unrefined fuel and
poor maintenance to be much higher (I had to lower the chance of fatal
misjumps to keep PC's alive).
I've also played with having most of the large bulk cargoes of food
stuffs and equipment being handled by bulk merchant fleets that belong
to mega-corps and merchant prince families. This leaves small size,
high value courier cargo for PC's in ships. Most of this trade are
things that either need more security/lower profile than a ship with
several hundred tons of other peoples cargo could provide. This seemed
to fit with the mix of players I get having a lot of ex military combat
people along with a few scouts and such transporting 5 & 10 dT
prototypes and such.
G.D.D.
======
"You can't be real a country unless you have a beer and an airline. It
helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons,
but at the very least you need a beer." - Frank Zappa
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:13:00 -0500
From: "Thom Harris"
Subject: Re: How much should a starship cost
And no matter what else, a hundred tons is still a hundred tons, the bare
minimum to be a "Star Ship".
Thom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Smith"
To: "'TML'"
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: How much should a starship cost
> Anthony Jackson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> > Assuming you don't want every free trader to be quite wealthy, an order
of
> > magnitude reduction in the cost of a basic trade ship is in order...
>
> Note that the easiest way to do that is to have an 'entry-level' trader
which is just very small. It will not be particularly competitive on rates
with larger ships, however.
> >>>>>>>>
> You'll need to do some tweaking of the design and/or economics rules
> for this to work. Certain items hit minimum price and displacement limits
> where you just can't make them smaller or cheaper, no matter how
> small a ship you are making. A type-A Free Trader from CT had the
> cheapest, smallest drives and computers available, for example - making
> the ship smaller won't save on the really expensive stuff, it'll just
> reduce the size of your cargo bay.
>
> Walt Smith
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:23:59 -0500
From: Ian Ferguson
Subject: RE: Canada
Glenn Goffin writes:
>Anyway, the Spaniards ended up north of their
>destination, and were rather disappointed with what
>they saw. Asked later to describe the new territory,
>they said, "que nada", which eventually became
>pronounced Canada.
>Do the Canadians on the list know whether this story
>is correct?
No, Sir John A. MacDonald drew letters out of a hat and
read them to a secretary who wrote them down:
"C, eh... N, eh... D, eh... "
Kurt Feltenberger writes:
>Not a Canadian, but IIRC it was a Native American word/phrase
>'Kanata' or some similar spelling that referred to a local
>landmark.
>I might be right, I might be wrong, wouldn't be the first time
>for either. :-)
You are right, though the spelling is arbitrary. My
understanding is that it was a native word that translated
roughly to "village."
Peez
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:25:08 -0500
From: Ian Ferguson
Subject: RE: [OT] War of 1812
Wayne Ewart writes:
>Don't forget we gave you football and basketball
Let's not start a "who invented basketball" flamewar, OK?
Peez
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:22:18 +1000
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au
Subject: ..and it comes with a fresher! (OT)
Dear Folks -
Doug wrote:
>What this means for us is that we will have two rooms open for rent on
>April 1st.
...so, you are just getting in early with the jokes, right?
I assume it's BYOP (Bring Your Own Penguin)?
Burma!
;-)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw davidjw@pcug.org.au
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
REQ'D DISCLAIMER - material & opinions contained within are solely those
of the author and do not necessarily represent, in whole or in part, the
position of Centrelink or any other Commonwealth Government agency.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:40:18 +1000
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au
Subject: RE: survival kit
Dear Folks -
Peez wrote:
>Animal Repellant
Does that include shark repellant, Batman?
- - Hyphen
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:43:34 +1000
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au
Subject: RE: War of 1812
Dear Folks -
Mark asked:
>Total shambles.
>
>ObTrav: So how would that fit in with Mileu 0, as the Imperium is
>growing.
Reference: Julian War.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw davidjw@pcug.org.au
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
REQ'D DISCLAIMER - material & opinions contained within are solely those
of the author and do not necessarily represent, in whole or in part, the
position of Centrelink or any other Commonwealth Government agency.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:46:37 -0500
From: Robert Prior
Subject: Re: Looking for Far Trader Deckplans
><>
>
>D'oh! I have those and had forgotten about them! <"SMACK! SMACK! SMACK!"
>goes the hand into the forehead>. Thanks for the reminder!
>
>I'd still be interested if anyone had any other Far Trader designs with
>deck plans, though...
>
>Charles C.
Check out the deckplans webring. Can't remember the URL right now, but
www.webring.org and search for "deckplan" will get it for you. Paul
Schrif's site has a lot of very nice deckplans.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:00:23 -0500
From: Robert Prior
Subject: Re: [OT} Mental Health in Australia
>About 10 years ago, the Richmond Report stated that many people in psycaratric
>care could have been better treated in a community enviroment instead of being
>withheld from the community (take 3 of the older Psyc hospitals in Sydney,
>Gladesville, Parramatta (Cumberland) and Peat Island could have been used as
>prisons, walls included).
>
>Politicians took this as a godsend, and thus cut hevily into the mental health
>budgets, forcing many people who should have been in institurtion care place
>onto the streets with little support. It was sad to see people who had been
>institutions for most of their adult life try to do things that we take for
>granted, like telling the bus driver where they where going.
Sounds typical. Save money by closing hospitals, yet don't put some of that
money back into community care.
Last year I assigned my students a research project on homelessness. (A
"hot issue" here in Hogtown, with advocacy groups demanding money for
shelters, and rich folks demanding human trash removal from their
neighbourhoods.)
Step one was, naturally, trying to discover the root of the problem. My
best group read a lot of reports, conducted interviews, visited shelters...
(it became something of a passion for them). They decided that the start of
our homeless problem was the closing down of psychiatric facilities without
any provision for continuing treatment. Were they right? Their numbers
were convincing, certainly.
I rather liked their solution, too. Stop giving professional sports teams
tax money, and instead spend it on community health care. They'd added up
the money given to professional sports teams, and figured that less than
half of that total would be enough to provide good community care.
Tenuous ObTrav: IMTU, professional sports teams get no government money.
They are either supported by gate receipts, or noble patronage.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:52:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony Jackson
Subject: Re: How much should a starship cost
Thom Harris writes:
> And no matter what else, a hundred tons is still a hundred tons, the bare
> minimum to be a "Star Ship".
True, but there's still a considerable difference between 100 tons and 200 tons. If you really want the 'tramp freighter' model you'd probably have to reduce the minimum size of a jump-ship.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:48:13 +1000
From: dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au
Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)
>>>
As for population centers there appears to be mega-cities in Mexico,
Buenos Ares, London, Berlin, Cairo, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, South Africa,
Sydney (Sydney?), and Antarctica (something called Shackleton).
<<<
Sydney alsmost qualifies for a megacity now, except for the population.
With 3 major satalite cities (Newcastle, Wollongong and Cambelltown/Macarthur) ,
the Greater Sydney Metro area is the same size as London. Again though, the
population density is far smaller.
Given the population density of NSW and Victoria on the coast, I forsee a
megacity encompasing Sydney and Canberra, streaching down to the Victoria border
(possably meeting Melbourne).
Darryl
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:16:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan
Subject: Re: United States
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Kelly St.Clair wrote:
> Sometimes I wonder if all of "Western" civilization will be only a blip in
> the thousands of years of history of the Middle Kingdom. (Of course, such
> continuity is only maintained through often heavy-handed stifling of
> innovation which might upset the balance of society... suddenly the
> longevity of the Ziru Siirka begins to look more plausible.)
>
Read the Chung Kuo series, or "China Mountain Zhang"? Either would make
an interesting TU if extrapolated far enough into the future...
Kiri
******************************************************************************
Kiri Aradia Morgan 93! Thou Art God
tiamat@tsoft.com
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away
Everything starts wearing fresh colors
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic
Desire is embraced in a dream..." -- X-JAPAN
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:18:25
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: ..and it comes with a fresher! (OT)
At 09:22 AM 12/22/1999 +1000, you wrote:
>Dear Folks -
>
>Doug wrote:
>>What this means for us is that we will have two rooms open for rent on
>>April 1st.
>
>...so, you are just getting in early with the jokes, right?
Actually, this is deadly serious. We don't get roommates, our rent goes
from $440 a month to $1317 a month in a heartbeat. And we can't afford to
move ourselves to anywhere within fifty miles of were we work, which our
car wouldn't be able to take.
- --
Douglas E. Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:22:42
From: "Douglas E. Berry"
Subject: Re: SF Trav game
At 11:27 AM 12/21/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>Really? Me too! Where? I live across from the Women's Building, you can
>see all the murals from my living room window.
Ah. Where my Pub *used* to be until the Women's Building folk managed to
convict a bar of domestic abuse.
- --
Douglas E. Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:55:17 +0000
From: Mark Watson
Subject: Re: War of 1812
On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>Bruce Macintosh wrote:
>>
>> A quick outline would be
>> (0) Britain is conscripting british (and occasional American) soliders out
>> of British ships. America doesn't like this. Also, Britain is blocking
>> American trade with France (more legitimately).
>
>Well, there _was_ the minor problem that the British Navy was also
>stopping and searching US-flagged merchants, and pretty much impressing
>anyone they felt like.
>
We still do that. It's the accent.
- --
Mark Watson, markw@antares.demon.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:59:37 +0000
From: Mark Watson
Subject: Re: England
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Steven Hudson wrote:
>>From: Black ICE
>>Subject: Re: England
>...
>>> Unless you count the Glorious Revolution, but it's perhaps a bit impolite :>
>>
>>Assuming that you're referring to Cromwell's revolution:
>...
>>Admittedly, the monarchy was restored by a claimant from overseas, but
>>this was not a conquest in the same sense as, say, Germany's conquest of
>>France in AD 1940.
>
> The Restoration in 1660 was of the legitimate King; the "Revolution" in
>1688 was the collapse of the then-current regime to a foreign prince. A
>foreign prince who brought a substantial army with him; the fact that the
>challenge was not taken up doesn't change the dubious nature of the claim
>that no invasion took place, but that's more something for the Brits to
>whine about :>
Er, the challenge was so taken up, in Ireland. That's a part of what all this
stuff in Ulster is about (or at least part of the tradition of troubles). As to
"then-current-regime" - the King was removed by Parliament and replaced with
someone with better protestant credentials. In the modern sense, the best
description would be a coup.
btw, Parliament enshrined the principles underlying its actions in a document
called the Bill of Rights.
M
- --
Mark Watson, markw@antares.demon.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:37:29 -0500
From: "David J. Golden"
Subject: Re: [OT] Politically Correct Season's Greetings...
At 03:43 pm 12/21/99 +1000, you wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Glenn Goffin
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 6:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [OT] Politically Correct Season's Greetings...
>
>
>
>>
>> > Don't quote me on this, but I have heard that the
>>
>> >average male who is out christmas shopping suffers
>> >stress equal in intensity to a fighter pilot in
>> >combat.
>>
>> Oh, I'd love to see a source for that. It would
>> support my decision to opt out of the holiday scene
>> very well. (Last year I went to Thailand; maybe next
>> year I'll go to Iran.)
>>
>
>I read it myself a few years ago, a sidebar in a newspaper, one of
those
>trivia things from international news services.
>
>However, I have never felt myself under such stresses personally
:^)
I'll let you folks know when I start my Christmas shopping;
hopefully tomorrow ... this year has been rather busy with work!
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:37:28 -0500
From: "David J. Golden"
Subject: Re:War of 1812
At 07:30 am 12/21/99 -0800, you wrote:
>William writes
>>Quite literally, it was a PR coup for the US; while merchant
shipping to
>>and from the US may have been slowed to a trickle (some blockade
running
>>did occur), it did not prevent the US from projecting force on the
seas,
>>all the way to Tripoli. This last is memorialized by the new branch
of the
>>US military which was raised due to the war in their hymn: "From
the Halls
New in 1812? ISTR the Marines claim to predate even the
constitution, having been raised by the Continental Congress 'long
about 177x or so ...
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:37:27 -0500
From: "David J. Golden"
Subject: Re: CT to T4 power conversion (Was: Re: Asteroid Mining)
At 09:57 am 12/21/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Can someone conferm or correct the following:
>1 EP = 1 Mw
Nope. IIRC from Striker (I), 1 HG EP=250MW.
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:37:26 -0500
From: "David J. Golden"
Subject: Re: The Death of Q
At 11:37 am 12/21/99 -0900, you wrote:
>>Legate Legion wrote:
>>>
>>> Tonight, I have learned that Q aka Desmond Llewelyn, has died
in a car
>>> crash outside of London, England. Let us all take a moment out,
to
>>>mourn this
>>> great actor.
>>
>>A toast: To the greatest gadgeteer this side of Famille Spofulam -
Q.
>>\~/
>
>Until the last line I was thinking "Who is this person, and why are
they
>saying he had John Delancy's role?" Now I realize it's the Bond Q,
not the
>star trek Q.
Aargh! I missed that ... you realize this means they're not allowed
to make any more Bond movies. Not that the recent ones really count
anyway (gag).
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:53:48 -0500
From: "DaveShayne"
Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)
>Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:42:55 -0500 (EST)
>From: Kenji Schwarz
>Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)
>
>On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Charles Collin wrote:
>
>> They seem to have saved the rain-forest and reversed the desertification
>> of Africa as well.
>>
>> Regarding what the US looks like at this time, there appear to be massive
>> population concentrations around Detroit and the East Coast. The
>> Northwest is still heavily forested and there is a major starport in the
>> rockies called Paulo.
>
>Could it be the rainforest (tropical and PNW temperate) are actually
>recreations, too?
>
>> BTW, I only skimmed the thread on Zhodani and Vilani races, but it occurs
>> to me that just about every pic I've seen of either of these groups
>> portrays a white person. Did they have suns with lower UV or something?
>> Or do we just have to accept that it's a marketing/artist's bias kinda
>> thing? Actually, the latter seems like the necessary explanation, as
>> most Solomani are portrayed as white also...
>
>Well, this is *Traveller*, and you're on the TML, so there's only one real
>answer: white people have an evolutionary advantage, and other races just
>*naturally* became extinct. What else explains it?
>
>Kenji
Well, this is *Traveller*, and what with all of those High Law worlds out
there
and PC's as you know are all incredible anarchists, so the actual real
answer is:
The pictures are of PC's, PC's are wanted on at least one or two planets
apiece,
White folk are the only group too stupid to duck when the cameras are
rolling.
(Yes I'm so pasty white it hurts.)
I Suspect this would also result in a disproportionate arrest and conviction
rate
for whites in the 3I as well. YMMV.
>Wondering if a race war on the TML would be more interesting than a guns &
>Yanks flamewar.
David Shayne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Old version - Build a better mousetrap and
the world will beat a path to your door.
New version - Build a better mousetrap and
some @$*% will build a better mouse.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:59:51 -0500
From: "DaveShayne"
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1544
>Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:44:20 -0500 (EST)
>From: Kenji Schwarz
>Subject: Re: Far Future Terra (was: Vanishing Wetlands...)
>
>On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Walter Smith wrote:
>
>> Earth while the rise was at it's worst. Almost everywhere else
>> built dikes, Egypt and Siberia couldn't afford to and got wet instead.
>
>I am silent. Silent as a mouse. My lips are sealed. I will say nothing
>lewd. I think nothing lewd. My mind is a pure crystal of cleanliness and
>rectitude.
>
>Kenji
Chuckle... Chortle, grin, guffaw, snicker, snort.
Chalk up another keyboard kill Kenji.
------------------------------
End of Traveller-digest V1999 #1545
***********************************
To unsubscribe to Traveller-Digest, send the command:
unsubscribe traveller-digest
in the body of a message to "traveller-request@lists.imagiconline.com".
If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is
coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that
address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe
"local-traveller":
subscribe traveller-digest local-traveller@your.domain.net
A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to
subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "traveller-digest"
in the commands above with "traveller".
Multi-Player Games Network http://www.mpgn.com
----------------------- Headers --------------------------------
Return-Path:
Received: from rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (rly-zc02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.2]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v67.6) with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:45:00 -0500
Received: from lists.imagiconline.com (lists.imagiconline.com [204.85.32.11]) by rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (v67.6) with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:44:40 1900
Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)
by lists.imagiconline.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id SAA36196;
Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:43:19 -0500 (EST)
(envelope-from owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com)
Received: by lists.imagiconline.com (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:41:05 -0500
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by lists.imagiconline.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA35880
for traveller-digest-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:41:04 -0500 (EST)
(envelope-from owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:41:04 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <199912212341.SAA35880@lists.imagiconline.com>
From: owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com (Traveller-digest)
To: traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com
Subject: Traveller-digest V1999 #1545
Reply-To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
Sender: owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com