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Traveller-digest Wednesday, December 22 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 1553
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The following topics are covered in this digest:
Re: The Death of Q
Re: Traveller roadshows
Re: Subject: In Jokes
RE: [OT] What does this have to do with: War of 1812
Re: In Jokes
Re: China (was: United States)
Re: In Jokes
RE: England
Re: [OT] War of 1812
RE: Traveller roadshows
Re: In Jokes
RE: England
Re: the north american union
Re: War of 1812, xFW, nTh IW
Re: 3I Sports
Re: England
RE: Traveller roadshows
RE: Traveller roadshows
Re: Traveller roadshows
RE: England
Re: Traveller roadshows
perception of distance
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:16:27 -0000
From: "Nick Bradbeer"
Subject: Re: The Death of Q
> Yes, but he won't be *Q*. There has always been just one Q--007 may
>come and go, as well as M, Moneypenney, and just about everybody
>else, but Q is a constant ...
Bond quipped in the last film "So, that'd make you 'R' then?"
ISTR hearing they're actually going to refer to the replacement character as
R.
Nick
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:17:57 -0000
From: "Nick Bradbeer"
Subject: Re: Traveller roadshows
>>>Really? Where in the north? I'm in Lancashire, near Rochdale.
>>Doncaster mate, the right side of the Pennines *grin*
>Leeds here,
Cornwall. Ya don't get a lot more South than that.
(But I go to Durham uni, so I have Northern aspirations.)
Nick
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:24:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony Jackson
Subject: Re: Subject: In Jokes
Glenn Goffin writes:
> I think I've heard this story. Point-blank high
> energy weapon fire just doesn't make sense. The firer
> is in his own danger space. It's like using a grenade
> launcher at point-blank range (in fact, the grenade of
> the M-79 is not armed until enough time after firing
> so that it should be several meters away).
I believe the point was that the target survived point-blank high energy weapons fire, not that the firer survived it.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:23:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan
Subject: RE: [OT] What does this have to do with: War of 1812
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Trevor, Peter wrote:
> Chris Seamans wrote:
> > Yeah, I'm an American, I eat fire for *breakfast*!
>
> I eat cereal ... its healthier.
>
Pizza and Jolt, it's the breakfast of Champions.
Well actually I more often eat miso soup (at home) or cranberry bread (at
work).
I am too lactose intolerant to eat cereal with milk and I'm allergic to
corn which is in most of them. So when I do find one I can eat, I eat it
out of the box like chips as a snack.
> > > Location shots when not by that rock in California: X-Files is
> > > shot mainly in Canada,
> >
> > Yeah, but Chris Carter wanted to move the show to California to be
> > closer to his love interest.
>
> I thought it was David Duckovn ... Duch ... what the hell kind of
> name is that anyway? Anyway, I thought it was DD who wanted to
> be in California.
>
David Duchovny and Chris Carter? Won't Tea be shocked! Watch it, you are
talking about one of the very few white men I would consider sleeping with
if Hiroshi agreed to give his permission or didn't exist.
> Okay, just to be fair ... one of my Trav players won 1st place in
> the UK M:TG championship and a free ride to the US championship
> in Seattle (a few years ago). Mere days before he left he looked
> in his atlas and was stunned when he saw where Seattle was ... he
> thought it was near New York.
>
When I taught Freshman History at the University of Kentucky as a TA
seemingly eons ago, I gave a quiz. I took a blank map of Europe with
country boundaries drawn in but no place names and asked students to find:
London
Paris
Rome
Athens
Istanbul not Constantinople ^_-
The quiz was worth 10 points. 1 point for getting the city in the right
place and 1 point for getting it in the right COUNTRY. You'd be amazed
how many 2's and 3's I gave.
Then there are all my Japanese ex-BF's who came to San Francisco with
nothing but T-shirts, shorts and a single pair of jeans if they were
smart, because "California is hot". I can't complain too much, it was fun
keeping them warm.
> > > (Appologies if anyone offended, was ment in jest.)
> >
> > Yeah, you say that now. My apologies, I just got back from
> > Christmas shopping and I lugged around an obscenely expensive
> > big hunk of stone in the shape of an angel (a perfect near-c
> > rock candidate) for hours. I'm surly and sore.
>
> Ah, the spirit of Christmas ... where all good folk go out and
> support their local retailer. To complete the ritual: on the
> 25th you over-eat rich food, over-drink, projectile vomit on the
> cat (if you don't own a cat borrow a neighbour's), and pass out
> in front of the TV (which will be showing the ever festive "The
> Great Escape").
>
Um I think I'm going to clean my house and go to the movies. =)
Maybe I'll buy a new VCR so I can watch movies while I fix my old one.
Kiri =)
(I send New Year's Cards to everybody, no one gets offended... make
cookies and give them to people... go to Japan, when possible, and buy
presents there to give to people when I get home... it is not crazy and I
get to be in a place that I like... but this new job won't give me
vacation time yet so I'm stuck here...)
******************************************************************************
Kiri Aradia Morgan 93! Thou Art God
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"If time passes, everything turns into beauty
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away
Everything starts wearing fresh colors
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic
Desire is embraced in a dream..." -- X-JAPAN
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:26:42 +0000
From: Ewan Quibell
Subject: Re: In Jokes
Carlos Alos-Ferrer wrote:
>
> > > (several exchanges later, Sid's Vargr kicks the marine to death, while
>
> Hmmmm... correct me if I am wrong here, but I have always thought
> Vargr physiology makes their kicks pretty ineffective, right? I seem
> to remember the rule of thumb... "Vargr can't kick." .
> Carlos
As I was reading all three Vargr Alien modules the night before last I
can concur. It says in one of them that Vargr can kick. I couldn't tell
you which one though.
Ewan
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Senior Communications Engineer Their's not to reason why,
Computer Centre Their's but to do and die:
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:31:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenji Schwarz
Subject: Re: China (was: United States)
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Kelly St.Clair wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:53:49 -0500 (EST) Kenji Schwarz
>
>
> >Hm, what's changed, say, just between Shang and Qing... mode of
> >government, political philosophy, governmental structure and operations,
> >population structure, ecological setting, diet, agricultural and
> >industrial technology, language, literature, arts, kinship system, dress,
> >settlement patterns, religion, ethical philosophy, Pokemon, and RPGs.
> >You're right! The Orient *is* changeless and ancient!
>
> "Emperors come and go, but the Bureaucracy lives on."
But it didn't :) It changed radically, several times, between Han and
Qing, and even more after that.
> Just off the top of the head, though:
>
> The trading fleets that represented a brief change from historical
> isolationism, during what the rest of the world came to call the Age of
> Discovery. The ships were soon called back and destroyed; no profit in
> stirring up the foreign devils.
Said "trading fleets" were all organized and controlled by the court. I
find it hard to see this as an innovation being suppressed as much as a
shift in internal government policy.
> The man-carrying kite, whose creator was put to death by an Emperor who
> feared its consequences. (Or was that just a fable?)
I've heard this before, but haven't been able to find any source for it.
> Afraid I don't have a third, but a little research (perhaps in the modern
> era) might turn up something. Tien An Men Square, perhaps, if one counts
> "democracy" as an innovation...
Given that the ideology had been circulating for years in student/youth
circles with surprisingly little interference by the authorities, the
Tiananmen crackdown looks like a crackdown on a demonstration and
organizations, not on an idea as such. The fact that all sorts of
ideologies are floating around in the PRC, some beautifully whacko,
without suppression until they demonstrate organization among their
followers, I think supports that.
> what happened when Disney plucked one (possibly the only) individualist
> story out of Chinese legend, then tried to show it in its country of
> origin. MULAN bombed in China because she was "too independent, too
> selfish." Too Western.
"Mulan" is far from the only "individualist" story in Chinese literature;
in most ways, it's one of the _least_. The whole point of the Mulan
ballad and its various adaptations, pre-Disney, was that Mulan
subordinates her personal interests to protect her father, and in the end
turns down opportunity for individual profit & fame.
What is your source for that explanantion of why Disney's "Mulan" bombed
in China? I'd be genuinely interested to read more about this.
Kenji
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:39:47 +0000
From: Ewan Quibell
Subject: Re: In Jokes
> As I was reading all three Vargr Alien modules the night before last I
> can concur. It says in one of them that Vargr can kick. I couldn't tell
> you which one though.
>
> Ewan
> --
Of course that should be Vargr *can't* kick, but then dyslexia rules KO.
Ewan
- --
Ewan Quibell Their's not to make reply,
Senior Communications Engineer Their's not to reason why,
Computer Centre Their's but to do and die:
University of Brighton Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
E.D.Quibell@brighton.ac.uk Alfred, Lord Tennyson
#include
My spelling is entirerly due to dyslexia, typos, and poetic license
University of Brighton - Sunday Times' University of the Year
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:30:47 -0000
From: "Trevor, Peter"
Subject: RE: England
Mark Preston wrote:
> Actually - and this may come as a suprise to Americans - Britain
> does not have a bill of rights, or even a written constitution.
> The nearest thing is the Charter 88 - a proposal for a bill of
> right - and that was not started until 1988.
Which leads to the situation where if you ask a politician if
Britain has a constitution they reply "yes", but ask anyone else
and they say "no". Of course its easier for the politicians to
change the constitution if its not written down.
I once heard someone argue that Britain was freer than the US
'cos in the US you only have the freedoms listed in laws, whereas
in Britain you are free to do anything you want unless there was
a law proscibing it. Personally, I don't buy it.
Regards PLST
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:40:12 -0500
From: "Chris Seamans"
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812
From: Trevor, Peter
> I thought it was David Duckovn ... Duch ... what the hell kind of
> name is that anyway? Anyway, I thought it was DD who wanted to
> be in California.
Yep, it was.
> Actually it *was* a driving movie. He's lost his driving licence
> cos he drove a sports car / russian tank / fire engine / front
> half of a car / whatever ... recklessly while under the influence
> of an undisclosed number of vodka martinis. And he wasn't really
> a spy but an unemployed auto-worker from Dagenham ... all that
> spy stuff was just an alcohol-induced hulucination (obveously
> getting to shag all those women was just a wish-fulfillment
> fantasy)!
I knew it all along... but that doesn't make good *film*!
> Could have been an urban myth ... press accuracy isn't exactly
> good at the best of times. (Which doesn't help the situation.)
The amount of misinformation in the media is astonishing. The days of *real*
investigative reporting (you know, where reporters would investigate their
stories) are long over.
> Okay, just to be fair ... one of my Trav players won 1st place in
> the UK M:TG championship and a free ride to the US
>championship in Seattle (a few years ago). Mere days before he left
>he looked in his atlas and was stunned when he saw where Seattle
>was ... he thought it was near New York.
See! People from exotic foreign lands can be silly as well! We Americans are
not the *only* silly people in the world.
> Ah, the spirit of Christmas ... where all good folk go out and
> support their local retailer. To complete the ritual: on the
> 25th you over-eat rich food, over-drink, projectile vomit on the
> cat (if you don't own a cat borrow a neighbour's), and pass out
> in front of the TV (which will be showing the ever festive "The
> Great Escape").
Nah, my own Christmas Eve ritual involves inviting my dysfunctional friends
over for lots of shrimp, beer and massive injections of violent video games.
This year, our featured video game is Wu Tang, which was formerly called
Thrill Kill and was thought to be entirely too violent to release.
The true spirit of Christmas, in my humble opinion, is best summed up in the
words from Mortal Kombat (which was the first game of this tradition):
"Finish him!"
I'll leave it at that.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:38:42 -0000
From: "Trevor, Peter"
Subject: RE: Traveller roadshows
Nick Bradbeer wrote:
> >>>Really? Where in the north? I'm in Lancashire, near Rochdale.
> >>Doncaster mate, the right side of the Pennines *grin*
> >Leeds here,
>
> Cornwall. Ya don't get a lot more South than that.
> (But I go to Durham uni, so I have Northern aspirations.)
The great city-state of London, and my group is spread from Epsom
to Stilton. However, I'm in Exeter over Christmas. So are there
any other Southerners (UK) here or is Traveller a Northern game?
Regards PLST
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:55:05 -0600
From: Black ICE
Subject: Re: In Jokes
Ewan Quibell wrote:
>
> > As I was reading all three Vargr Alien modules the night before last I
> > can concur. It says in one of them that Vargr can kick. I couldn't tell
> > you which one though.
> >
> > Ewan
> > --
>
> Of course that should be Vargr *can't* kick, but then dyslexia rules KO.
Either that, or it should be "Vargr 'can-can' kick."
La Folies Vargiere, anyone?
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:47:36 -0600
From: "Moody, Danny M."
Subject: RE: England
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trevor, Peter [mailto:Peter.Trevor@rb.cwplc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 December 1999 12:31
> To: 'traveller@lists.imagiconline.com'
> Subject: RE: England
>
>
> Mark Preston wrote:
> > Actually - and this may come as a suprise to Americans - Britain
> > does not have a bill of rights, or even a written constitution.
> > The nearest thing is the Charter 88 - a proposal for a bill of
> > right - and that was not started until 1988.
>
> Which leads to the situation where if you ask a politician if
> Britain has a constitution they reply "yes", but ask anyone else
> and they say "no". Of course its easier for the politicians to
> change the constitution if its not written down.
Non scripta, non est. You think politicians can twist the meanings of a
written law, wait til you see what they can do to stuff not written down.
> I once heard someone argue that Britain was freer than the US
> 'cos in the US you only have the freedoms listed in laws, whereas
> in Britain you are free to do anything you want unless there was
> a law proscibing it. Personally, I don't buy it.
You shouldn't - he's completely backwards. The US Constitution is written
from the point of view that the People have all rights and powers, and only
certain powers are delegated to the Federal and State governments.
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES
Amendments to the Constitution
Article IX.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Article X.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
to the people.
As opposed to the 3I, where all power resides in the Iridium throne to be
allocated as it see fit - except for the power to dissolve the Imperium,
which is given to the Moot.
vargr1 UPP-8D9B85
- ---------------------------- Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina.
Meyers-Briggs personality type: ENTJ vargr1@jcn1*com
"...the ENTJ is not one to be trifled with." dmoody@bridge*com
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:30:07 -0000
From: "Nick Bradbeer"
Subject: Re: the north american union
>Nick said:
>>There's always the Regency/Aslan accomodations post-Collapse.
>Aah! _That_ explains the empty rooms at Doug's...
>- Hyphen
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:42:21 -0000
From: "Nick Bradbeer"
Subject: Re: War of 1812, xFW, nTh IW
> More accurately, the proof that sea-power was not the be-all and end-all
>of strategy, which a number of agencies have since forgotten.
Nor indeed air power, which the Pentagon keeps seeming to forget. But that's
about the nineteenth time I've said that on this list...
I'll shut up soon.
Nick
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:48:36 -0000
From: "Nick Bradbeer"
Subject: Re: 3I Sports
>I use Gravball as the standard sport throughout the Imperium. For details
of
>the game try the Missouri Archive at:
What about worlds below TL-9?
NB
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:06:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony Jackson
Subject: Re: England
Trevor, Peter writes:
> I once heard someone argue that Britain was freer than the US
> 'cos in the US you only have the freedoms listed in laws, whereas
> in Britain you are free to do anything you want unless there was
> a law proscibing it. Personally, I don't buy it.
Its a nonsense argument. Within _any_ legal system you are free to take any action that does not violate the law (i.e. you may take any 'legal' action). That's just a matter of definition. Of course, the available legal actions can be very limited. What determines which of two societies is 'freer' is what actions are legal.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:15:25 GMT
From: "i Steve"
Subject: RE: Traveller roadshows
>From: "Trevor, Peter"
>or is Traveller a Northern game?
Oh god, Yorkshiremen in space! "We've bloody misjumped, you daft bugger!"
Or a special combat rule for Yorkshire Travellers, a la Saint Geoff
Boycott...ignore normal rate of fire, shoot once per hour, roll 8+ to avoid
hitting another member of your own squad, else hit target for 1 point of
damage....
(apologies to those who don't get cricket references, but it's revenge for
the gun control war. *grin*)
iSteve
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:16:51 GMT
From: "i Steve"
Subject: RE: Traveller roadshows
>Maybe we should all get together for a game - somewhere neutral, like
>Todmorden, which *should* be in Lancashire again .
I'm up for that - what are you refereeing Mark?
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:21:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Glenn Goffin
Subject: Re: Traveller roadshows
>From: "i Steve"
>Good call - I'm at the office and am afflicted with
>alternate "Greatest Christmas Album In The
>World....Ever" and a Disney compilation....I THINK
>I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF AFORE THE DAY'S OUT....
He's calling for help, TMLers! Remember, isteve,
suicide is never a solution. Why don't you take out
the office manager instead? He or she is probably the
one who ordered the musical torture. And please don't
use a firearm, or you'll just start the politicians
talking about banning them (instead of banning
Christmas music, which wouldn't be entirely a bad
thing). No, I'd recommend a bo-ken and a loud kiai,
so that you use all of the muscles in your body when
striking, which is much more cathartic than just
squeezing a trigger, and you get that satisfying
swish-crunch! and the moans of your victim, so repeat
several times: tzaaaa! swish-crunch! aiee! tzaaa!
swish-crunch! bluh! tzaaaa! swish-crunch! ohg stop!
tzaaaa! swish-crunch! no help aag! tzaaaa!
swish-crunch, tzaaaa! swish-crunch, tzaaaa!
swish-crunch .... oh thank you I feel better anyway.
Well, I hope that helps you get through the holidays.
(Feel free to substitute a baseball or cricket bat,
golf club, cane, or Oxford English Dictionary
condensed edition as appropriate.)
- --Glenn
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:35:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Glenn Goffin
Subject: RE: England
>From: "Mark Preston"
>Actually - and this may come as a suprise to
>Americans - Britain does not have a bill of rights,
>or even a written constitution.
This is no surprise at all to Americans. Why do you
think we kicked your king and soldiers out of here two
hundred some years ago? Why did we establish a
republic and not a new monarchy? Because we saw the
future of England, all right -- boiled food and rainy
weather, lining up for the dole and a methadone
injection, butts kicked in wars with people you used
to hire as mercenaries, beautiful cars but they're
always in for repairs, Official Secrets Act, Northern
Ireland troubles, and did I mention boiled everything?
We'll give you the Rolling Stones and the Beatles,
however. Those are definitely in your favor.
- --Glenn
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:37:20 GMT
From: "i Steve"
Subject: Re: Traveller roadshows
>He's calling for help, TMLers! Remember, isteve,
>suicide is never a solution. Why don't you take out
>the office manager instead? He or she is probably the
>one who ordered the musical torture. And please don't
>use a firearm, or you'll just start the politicians
>talking about banning them (instead of banning
>Christmas music, which wouldn't be entirely a bad
>thing). No, I'd recommend a bo-ken and a loud kiai,
>so that you use all of the muscles in your body when
>striking, which is much more cathartic than just
>squeezing a trigger, and you get that satisfying
>swish-crunch! and the moans of your victim, so repeat
>several times: tzaaaa! swish-crunch! aiee! tzaaa!
>swish-crunch! bluh! tzaaaa! swish-crunch! ohg stop!
>tzaaaa! swish-crunch! no help aag! tzaaaa!
>swish-crunch, tzaaaa! swish-crunch, tzaaaa!
>swish-crunch .... oh thank you I feel better anyway.
Worked....P.S. now unemployed accountant seeks gainful employment (will work
for food, roof over head and enough money to send to Swordy to complete my
CT collection), can't travel too far as the police asked me not to leave the
country.....
iSteve
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:37:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Glenn Goffin
Subject: perception of distance
>From: Walter Smith
>My father met a honeymooning couple from England
[deletion]
>They didn't believe him when he mentioned how many
>thousands of miles these "day trips" would take.
>The biggest difference between an American and an
>Englishman: an American thinks a hundred years is a
>long time, an Englishman thinks a hundred miles is a
>long way.
In Finland many years ago, my aunt Klaara asked my
then-girlfriend how far from her parents she and I
lived. It wasn't the language barrier that led to us
drawing a map to explain "18 hours by train, or a
two-hour flight and a five-hour drive." Klaara just
needed a while to comprehend that you would still be
in the same country after travelling for so long, or
that anything could really be a five hour drive away
from an airport, or that it would make economic sense
to drive for five hours rather than taking a smaller
plane.
(The places in question, by the way, were from Idaho
to northwestern Kansas, so it was either Amtrak
through Utah and Colorado into southwestern Nebraska
or fly to Denver and drive down (literally) into
Kansas.)
This phenomenon isn't limited to Europeans. When I
went back to the east coast for college, I was shocked
at how little many of my classmates (the best and the
brightest) knew about the geography of the United
States, even basic things like whether San Francisco
was west of Chicago or whether Chicago was north of
Texas.
Ob Traveller: People do tend to focus on what's
important. While they might know in detail the
arrangement of stars in their subsector, they may not
know much about the next sector over. There is also
alot more detail to know.
That statement also applies to us as Traveller
referees and players. I've played and refereed almost
exclusively in the Spinward Marches, and really don't
know that much detail about the rest of known space.
- --Glenn
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