Traveller-digest      Monday, October 18 1999      Volume 1999 : Number 1224



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Mr. Keith sad departure
Re: Great Task Debate
Re : HePLAR efficiency
Re : Population growth
Re: Traveller Versions and a visit to the Medieval Starship
Re: Traveller Versions and a visit to the Medieval Starship
caesarians
Re:  New gamers, old gamers
re: Important: The Kinunir Warrant!
Re: GTL9 5 dTon Shuttle
Re:  New gamers, old gamers
re: caesarians
Re: Important: The Kinunir Warrant! 
Re: New gamers, old gamers 
Ditzie's Warrant Followup
Re: caesarians
Re: caesarians
Getting to Orbit
Re Kinuinir Warrant
Re: test - ignore
Imperial Stationary
Re: HEPlaR efficiency
Re: GTL9 5 dTon Shuttle
Re: In what book did Norris get his warrant

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:34:49 PDT
From: "Boris Cibic" <kafka47@hotmail.com>
Subject: Mr. Keith sad departure

A very sad occasion for all those who love the game.  New and Old.  His 
presence will live on in not only countless supplements, books, articles, 
etc.  But in the imagination of countless referees and players.  So 
farewell, fellow traveller.  I hope that the release of the adventures will 
have a dedication to this great man who made those LBB come alive and laid 
the foundation stone for the joy and pleasure that anyone who can hear the 
word Traveller.

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:41:24 -0500
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net>
Subject: Re: Great Task Debate

Kurtis Rodgers wrote:
> 
> Hey, I gotta task for ya.., right here pal!
> 
> Convince Storm Trooper that these are not the droids he's looking for:
> Difficult, Fast Talk, Force Power, <i>charm person</i>, Charisma, Bribery, 1
> min. (hazardous, fateful, confrontation).

I beg to differ; given what we've seen of Storm Troopers, the task
should be rated as Routine, rather than Difficult. ;-)

- -- 
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:35:41 +1000
From: "Robert O'Connor" <robocon@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re : HePLAR efficiency

John Buston wrote :-
(quoting John Snead) :-
> >My personal preference for Traveller drives is a modified t-plate which
> >totally converts hydrogen to light-speed neutrinos.  No exhaust problems,
> >and the fuel consumption is 2/15s that of heplar (since the exhaust
> >velocity is C).
>
> Wouldn't the neutrino density from total conversion be enough to kill people, or
> at least give them cancer? (remembering the supernova thread from a few months
> ago).

Fuel consumption for HePLAR in FF&S2 is 1.25 X 10^(-3) m3 LH2/hr/kN
thrust.
So for the neutrino drive, fuel rate 1.67 X 10^(-3) m3 LH2/hr/tonne
thrust (10kN).
This is equal to 116g LH2, or 1.044 X 10^(16) J/hr, from E=mc^2
Power output = 2.9 X 10^12 W/tonne thrust
Flux = 2.9 X 10^15 W/m2 t-plate area

The radiological quality factor of neutrinos is kind of irrelevant with
this sort of power output, at least close up. At 'ground zero', no
matter will tolerate energy fluxes of this magnitude - it will convert
to plasma.

The inverse square law applies with increased distance from the thruster
plate.

Robert O'Connor
Medico, Gamer

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:35:53 +1000
From: "Robert O'Connor" <robocon@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re : Population growth

Leonard Erickson wrote :-
(quoting Rupert Boleyn)

> > On 14 Oct 99, at 15:58, Timothy.Collinson@solent.ac.u wrote:
> >
> > > Anything obvious I've missed?
> >
> > If current obstetric fashions continue, along with the recent trends in
> > western standards of beauty the mortality rate in labour is going to
> > push 100% for mother and child unless someone learns to perfrom
> > ceaseran sections very quickly. The C-section rate is rediculous these
> > days, and the current fashion is for slim hips.
>
>Ditto for the "waif look". The lack of body fat reserves (and muscle
>mass) is also a killer in pregnancy and later during nursing.

The dramatic increase in the Caesarian rate is an
obstetric fad rather than being based in any 'medical science', or
any change in the average dimensions of womens' pelves (these are, in
general, getting larger as nutrition improves).
	There are several factors involved, some of which include :-
- - Women don't want to have overly painful labours or any of the
potential long-term complications of vaginal delivery (from perineal
tears, incontinence, etc.)
- - Obstetricians are desparately afraid of being sued.
Consider this : an obstetrician's medical defence insurance is about
$50000 per year in Australia/NZ, and almost $100K US/yr in North
America.
You have to work pretty hard when you're going to make less than
$1500 per delivery - this figure includes all antenatal
consultations, etc.

Leonard is correct that being overly thin (<50kg for average adult
female height) puts you at greater risk of complications during and
after pregnancy. Lack of weight gain during pregnancy (~8-10kg typical
minimum) is another risk factor.
	Interestingly, previous eating disorder is a risk factor
for post-natal depression or psychosis during pregnancy.
	List members may or may not be aware of the data from those
women which fell pregnant in Holland during the Nazi occupation
(the entire populace towards war's end were on starvation rations, 
~900-1000kcal/d). Their children were at greater risk of several 
conditions in later life, due to maternal malnutrition.

Hmm... maybe it would be worthwhile doing a 'done to death' on this
topic.

Robert O'Connor
Medico, Gamer

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:36:13 +0100
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: Traveller Versions and a visit to the Medieval Starship

"Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net> writes:
>Pat said:
>>But enough
>>of the infomercial. In the course of our chat, we talked over the
>>last few flame wars and the one that bobbed to the surface like a
>>3 day old apple was the Traveller Version.
>There is no flame war going on! Even using a loose definition there's been
>no real flame war going on. People will differ in opinions, but the
>"Traveller Versions" debate isn't even lukewarm (and in my personal opinion
>it doesn't look like it's really going to heat up very much).

Absolutely. Everyone was trying to be very polite and not provoke a
flamewar. This was nothing like the Virus, RoM TL, Fighters, Great T4 Task
Debate, and Pirates threads which have been before. Pat, have a look back
in the archive for the TML in 96/97 for some good flamewars.

>One of the few problems with the Traveller mailing list is that certain
>discussions achieve flame war "status" without ever having really heated up.
>Usually, the real problem is that two sides tend to go on about an issue for
>a long time, and there are folks who get sick of hearing about it (the
>piracy debate never really got hot, but it lasted for weeks on end).

That's true, and the tolerance threshold tends to drop proportionate to the
size of the reposted sections... ;-)

Dom

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:54:13 -0000
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net>
Subject: Re: Traveller Versions and a visit to the Medieval Starship

- -----Original Message-----
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com>
Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Traveller Versions and a visit to the Medieval Starship


>Absolutely. Everyone was trying to be very polite and not provoke a
>flamewar. This was nothing like the Virus, RoM TL, Fighters, Great T4 Task
>Debate, and Pirates threads which have been before. Pat, have a look back
>in the archive for the TML in 96/97 for some good flamewars.


Perhaps this will turn into the "It's not a flamewar" flamewar? ;)

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:01:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com>
Subject: caesarians

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Robert O'Connor wrote:

> The dramatic increase in the Caesarian rate is an
> obstetric fad rather than being based in any 'medical science', or
> any change in the average dimensions of womens' pelves (these are, in
> general, getting larger as nutrition improves).
> 	There are several factors involved, some of which include :-
> - Women don't want to have overly painful labours or any of the
> potential long-term complications of vaginal delivery (from perineal
> tears, incontinence, etc.)
> 

And this is not scientific?

Would YOU be willing to wear diapers or have painful intercourse for the
rest of your life in order to have a "natural" birth?

Perineal tears and incontinence don't seem like such a big deal until they
happen to you, or to your lover.

Sorry, I know this is OT, but I think that incontinence and perineal tears
are a very big deal-- and for me, this is not an academic issue.

Kiri

******************************************************************************
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God
tiamat@tsoft.com

"If time passes, everything turns into beauty
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away
Everything starts wearing fresh colors
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN 

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:18:53 -0400
From: Kurt Feltenberger <kurt@blazenet.net>
Subject: Re:  New gamers, old gamers

At 07:19 PM 10/18/99 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 10/18/99 3:08:10 PM, you wrote:
>
><<Andy *would* reincarnate where he could play Traveller again as early as
>possible, right? :)>>
>
>I move that we lobby by Steve (GT) and Marc (T5) to name an Imperial capital
>ship (or maybe a starport or even a planet...) the "J. Andrew Keith" so the
>guy BECOMES canon. It's the least we can do...

I'll second the motion.  Add my name to the petition.

Kurt Feltenberger
kurt@blazenet.net
Morrow Project Campaign http://www.sol-3.net
WT-L Support Pages http://www.sol-3.net/wt-l

"To our Country! In her intercourse with foreign nations,
      may she always be in the right, but our country, right or wrong!"
~Stephen Decatur

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:23:03 -0400
From: Walter Smith <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU>
Subject: re: Important: The Kinunir Warrant!

That was the funniest thing I've seen in quite a while.

ObTrav, just for fun: I recall an episode of a spy series some years ago*,
in which the hero's ID card had been stolen. He was dreadfully concerned
about getting it back, since it was his passport into some of the highest
security areas in the nation (or at least in his particular worldwide
spy organization).

If he didn't get it back pronto, his superiors would have to cancel it
until it could be recovered - and that might take years. He knew of
a colleague who had their card stolen, who ended up working a desk
until retirement.

Imagine how that kind of thing would work in an environment with the
communication delays of the Third Imperium. 

Walt Smith

* OK, I admit it - it was _Scarecrow and Mrs. King_. I was led astray
in my youth...

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:30:03 -0400
From: "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com>
Subject: Re: GTL9 5 dTon Shuttle

>> You also only have a 100,000 mile communicator, cramped seats and no
>> bunks or toilets. I wouldn't want to go that far in it. Perhaps it
>> could be a mustering out benefit for an x-boat pilot ;-)

>I suspect there is some kind of toilet facilities included in the limited 
>life support system ... at least a septic tank that gets emptied like in 
>a Camper.

I would suspect more like the toilet on an passenger jet aircraft.


Terry C

All that is Gold does not glitter
Not all who travel are lost 

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:46:58 -0500
From: "shadowcat" <meow@advancenet.net>
Subject: Re:  New gamers, old gamers

Add my name to the petition
Shadowcat AKA Kevin Walsh
Captain of the Free Trader Beowulf
ADD/ADHD Advocate
http://www.advancenet.net/~meow

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:40:31 -0400
From: Walter Smith <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU>
Subject: re: caesarians

Kiri wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
Would YOU be willing to wear diapers or have painful intercourse for the
rest of your life in order to have a "natural" birth?

Perineal tears and incontinence don't seem like such a big deal until they
happen to you, or to your lover.

Sorry, I know this is OT, but I think that incontinence and perineal tears
are a very big deal-- and for me, this is not an academic issue.
>>>>>>>>>
Having a natural birth isn't some kind of obligation women had in the
dark old days that the caesarian section procedure has freed them from.

So much depends on the woman involved. A natural birth is hard work,
painful, and can be risky - but recuperation afterwards is generally very
rapid. A caesarian can be faster and less painful, and can trade one
set of risks for another that the attending doctor may be more familiar
with - and a recovery time that is generally longer than that of a natural
birth. Of course, a caesarian is abdominal surgery...with the added bonus 
that you have a newborn to take care of while recuperating from it. 

I'm naturally a bit biased. My wife has had three children, natural, with no 
complications from the birth itself - though she had *lots* of complications 
during the pregnancy. My sister-in-law had a caesarian, the navy doctor 
sank the scalpel into my unborn niece's cheek.

Whichever procedure gets your family back home in the best of health
is the right one.

Walt Smith

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:23:56 -0400
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
Subject: Re: Important: The Kinunir Warrant! 

> Chris Seamans wrote:
> 
> > The final resting place of the Imperial Warrant that was on the Kinunir has
> > been hotly debated for many years. Some say Norris used it to keep the peace
> > and stability of the Spinward Marches. Others swear that they were part of
> > the adventuring party that found it and they used it mainly to circumvent
> > local authorities when they got into fusion powered bar brawls.
> >
> > The truth is much, much more frightening. A deep cover IISS Scout was
> > recently found, a victim of "spacing," in the [CLASSIFIED] Subsector. A
> > small holocube was found in his stomach. Go to
> > http://www.pil.net/~semo/warrant.jpg to see what was on it. Please pass this
> > on to other loyal and patriotic Imperial citizens and let them know what a
> > threat to Imperial security this is.
> 
> 1, 2, 3, ...
> 
> DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN!
> 
> NNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Whatta *revolting* developement *THAT* is!!!!!!!!!!

<grin>

And you thought you hadda find a safe place *before* now...

Keven

- -- 
tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure
                                                     In Reavers' Deep

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:30:05 -0400
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
Subject: Re: New gamers, old gamers 

> > At 01:39 AM 10/17/1999 EDT, you wrote:
> > >Hello all.  Just wanted to announce the birth of a future gamer.  My
> > >daughter was born October 5th.  Jocelyn Rosemary Best-Silva.  I will, of 
> > >course, teach her the great game of Traveller (in many of it's incarnations) 
> > >as well as other RPGs.  
> > 
> > This wonderful news coming so quickly on the heels of Andrew Keith's death
> > reminds of the line from "Cassidy" by the Grateful Dead:
> > 
> > "There he goes and here she starts, hear her cry"
> 
> Or Blood, Sweat, and Tears:  "And when I die, and when I'm gone, there'll
> be one child born in this world to carry on."
> 
> Andy *would* reincarnate where he could play Traveller again as early as
> possible, right? :)

Makes perfect sense to *me*...

Keven

- -- 
tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure
                                                     In Reavers' Deep

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:41:48 -0000
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net>
Subject: Ditzie's Warrant Followup

My apologies to everybody on the list who lost their keyboards as a result
of my posting. Personally, I'm just happy that the issue of the Kinunir
Warrant has finally been settled.

I have decided to make amends. Anyone who needs cash for a replacement
keyboard should hit the following link:

http://www.pil.net/~semo/credit3.jpg

[A geeky note about the image: No, that's not actually Margaret I, that's
Suzanna Beckford and it's a detail from a portrait by Sir Joshua Reynolds,
painted in 1756. The painting is currently located in London's Tate Gallery.
Keep this in mind if you happen to visit the Tate, please don't argue with
the staff.]

"I'm sorry sir, that's Suzanna Beckford, not Empress Margaret I... I'm very
sorry to hear that she died in a tunnel collapse, sir, but this really isn't
her."

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:41:44 EDT
From: KenRoney@aol.com
Subject: Re: caesarians

To drag this topic back to a "Traveller-centric" base, I'd like to ask how 
many of you have considered the effect that artificial wombs (aka uterine 
replicators in Bujold's Vorkosigan stories) would have on a high tech future 
society.  I never really factored it into any Traveller campaign because they 
always threatened to make things go weird fast.  I would figure that they 
would become feasible around Tech 10 or 11, but once they become prevelent it 
seems to me that gender roles, family structures, and other core social 
structures would be knocked right off their foundations.  Would the benefits, 
such as freeing women from the rigors, impediments, and dangers of pregnancy 
be enought to counteract the turmoil that these would create in traditional 
social structures.  Any comments?

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:52:57 -0700
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com>
Subject: Re: caesarians

- -----Original Message-----
From: Walter Smith <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU>
To: 'TML' <traveller@mpgn.com>
Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 5:44 PM
Subject: re: caesarians


>Kiri wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>Would YOU be willing to wear diapers or have painful intercourse for the
>rest of your life in order to have a "natural" birth?
>
>Perineal tears and incontinence don't seem like such a big deal until they
>happen to you, or to your lover.
>
>Sorry, I know this is OT, but I think that incontinence and perineal tears
>are a very big deal-- and for me, this is not an academic issue.
>>>>>>>>>>
>Having a natural birth isn't some kind of obligation women had in the dark
old days that the caesarian section procedure has freed them from.
>
No, but if a woman is in danger of having a huge tear or damage to her
bladder, etc, there is no reason not to do it.

>So much depends on the woman involved.

How very true.  If my caesarian had taken place three hours earlier, my
daughter would ALSO be alive.  As it is, it took me two years to recover...

Kiri
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kiri Aradia Morgan            93!              Thou Art God...
tiamat@tsoft.com

the current fair warnings:

"No matter what, expect the unexpected.  And whenever
possible, BE the unexpected."     -- Lynda Barry

"Honest to the point of recklessness, and self-centered
 in the extreme."            -- Robert Hunter/Jerry Garcia

"God sent me to piss the world off!"  -- Eminem

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:19:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Getting to Orbit

>This second formula assumed reaching orbit without CG (we will
>pretend it adds 1 g of acceleration to ship for purposes of reaching
>orbit).
>
>200 mi = ((accShip - accPlanet) x Time x Time) / 2
>
>200 mi = ((1.65g - 1g) x Time^2) / 2
>200 mi = ((0.65g) x Time^2) / 2
>
>(200 * 5280)ft = (((32 ft/(sec^2)) * 0.65)) / 2) ((x^2)(sec^2))
>1056000 = 10.4 * (x^2)
>
>Time or x = 318.65 secs.
>
>Unless I am suffering from a Gross Conceptual Error I believe you
>can make the assumption I made.  Where did I go wrong?

Felix: Conceptual problem ... this would be fairly accurate, assuming no
atmosphere and not having to account for existing rotational velocity
(which, upon lift-off, becomes a linear velocity tangential to the point
where you turned on CG and broke contact (fluid or solid) with the rotating
body.). Atmospheric friction issues can really slow you down. Buildings in
the way once the planet no longer pulls you around can be a problem...

5 minutes and 20 seconds to orbit *distance* IS reasonable, assuming you
don't plan on orbiting.

William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
interface!"
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-
533
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+
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pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:19:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Re Kinuinir Warrant

>>The truth is much, much more frightening. A deep cover IISS Scout was
>>recently found, a victim of "spacing," in the [CLASSIFIED] Subsector. A
>>small holocube was found in his stomach. Go to
>>http://www.pil.net/~semo/warrant.jpg to see what was on it. Please pass this
>>on to other loyal and patriotic Imperial citizens and let them know what a
>>threat to Imperial security this is.

You B*****D!!! You now owe me! Not a keyboard, but putting the baby back to
sleep! The first real guffaw I have had from a traveller related bit in
years!

William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
interface!"
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-
533
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:36:09 GMT
From: j_pete@bellsouth.net (Pete)
Subject: Re: test - ignore

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:37:23 -0600, "David J. Golden"
<goldendj@pcisys.net> wrote:

>At 10:49 AM 10/18/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>Ping.
>
>	Pong.
>

wow. i did not see that one coming.................   ;-)


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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:37:42 +1000
From: dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au
Subject: Imperial Stationary

I may be wrong, but wasn't Norris  made an Archduke not because he had an
Imperial warrant, but because he had blank imperial stationary?

I thought he got prior warning of the assination, and the start of the collapse,
and realised without strong Imperial control, Deneb and the marches could have
collapsed into chaos. So he got his stash of Imperial stationary (Signed i
believe by Strephon) and became Archduke.

Darryl

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:17:17 -0700
From: "Bruce Macintosh" <bruce.macintosh@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: HEPlaR efficiency

>>>>My personal preference for Traveller drives is a modified t-plate which
>>>>totally converts hydrogen to light-speed neutrinos.  No exhaust problems,
>>>>and the fuel consumption is 2/15s that of heplar (since the exhaust
>>>>velocity is C).

>>>Wouldn't the neutrino density from total conversion be enough to kill
people, or
>>>at least give them cancer? (remembering the supernova thread from a few
months
>>>ago).

>>There are already 10,000,000,000 neutrinos from the sun passing through
>>every cm2 of your body every second.  IIRC you need about 4,500 light
>>years of lead to shield from neutrinos.

>It's a half life thing. The original Supernova thread was quoting that it had
>been worked out that the _neutrino_ density from a Supernova had been
calculated
>to be dense enough to sterilize planets at IIRC several light years.

Only at a distance of several AUs (ie inside the same solar system), not
several
light years, thankfully.

Bruce

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:29:52 -0500
From: "Bont" <felix@felixcafe.com>
Subject: Re: GTL9 5 dTon Shuttle

> > > Actually, with the Contragrav, you can use 1.65 G for the 
> > > acceleration in orbital calculations.

> Well first of all, you're talking about a different case now -- 0-200
> miles is not the same as going to 100D, which is what was referred to
> before.  

Actually, I did state it for orbital calculations.

> Secondly, the two figures aren't the same because CG is
> directed straight down only, which may not be the most useful
> direction for it (note that a ship capable of 1.65 Gs can apply 1 G
> for lifting and 1.31 Gs for accelerating towards orbital velocity...)

Well, if you are using vectored thrust and CG, the ship doesn't have 
to point upwards; you can use all the thrust for straight up.  

But I agree with you.  For flying purposes, it may not be the most 
efficient method.


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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:16:17 +1000
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au
Subject: Re: In what book did Norris get his warrant

Dear Folks -

David asked:
>Where is what Norris had to do to retreive that Imperial warrant
described?

Hmm, let's see:

1.   A Warrant, and its associated powers, is first described in _Adventure
1: The Kinunir".

2.   The Warrant is a playing piece in the 5FW boardgame. Whichever Admiral
has the Warrant, becomes the highest-ranked Admiral (able to leap small
buildings, etc ;-).

3.   The first mention that Norris uses a Warrant to dismiss Santanocheev
is in a TAS News Service article, JTAS ?? (maybe #15?).

4.   The _Spinward Marches Campaign_, p 11 (thanks Hans) says: "Norris
appealed directly to the Emperor of the Imperial forces in the Marches
[...] Although the Emperor responded by issuing a warrant which put Norris
in command, it was lost en route; due to the distances and transit times
involved, the very existence of the document remained unknown."

And on p. 16 it further says: "Norris, with some slight evidence that his
warrant from the Emperor was on Algine (aboard a wrecked cruiser down on
the planet), led a secret expedition to that interdicted world to recover
the document. The quandary that faced Norris was that he was prohibited
from going to the interdicted world of Algine without the express
permission of the Emperor. The warrant, if it was there, would be
permission to go there; if it wasn't there, he risked his career."

5.   From my Kinunir page: "The _Regency Sourcebook_ and now _Behind The
Claw_ (the latter presumably quoting the former) state that the ship was
discovered at Shionthy in 1105. The other ships of the class were then
"fixed" (they talked to the AI computers with a very large hammer ;-)."

Both books also state that Norris retrieved "his" Warrant from the Kinunir,
although if you read the rest of my page you'll realise this cannot be
true.


Enough so far? ;-)
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