Subj: Traveller-digest V1999 #1605
Date: 12/30/99 3:07:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Traveller-digest Thursday, December 30 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 1605
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All rights reserved.
The following topics are covered in this digest:
Re: Drawing Program
Re: Common Law
Re: Drawing Program
Re: Drawing Program - longish
Re: Ethnic confusion
Re: free trader
Re: Art and attraction
Re: Keyboard kills & misc
Re: free trader
Re: Art and attraction
re: Santanocheev, the man...
Re: Santanocheev, the man...
Re: Drawing Program
Free Trader plans
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy
Re: Keyboard kills & misc
Re: Passengers From Hell
Re: Purina, etc.
Re: re graphics
Re: Vs: Vilani Elvis
Re: Gunnery
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:08:06 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Drawing Program
In mail you write:
> At 13:09 -0500 25/12/99, "Jory Earl" wrote:
>>Good point Leonard, but by the time I even knew what OS/2 was or could
>>afford to buy an operating system, it was already dead and buried.
>
> Calling it OS/2 'Warp' made me laugh. Compared to Win3.1x it was slow
> and memory heavy.
Seems to work ok here. And unlike Win 3.1, when a Windows app crashed,
I could just close that window and open another one. Not even the
Current* version of Windows can do that (I know, I've had to restart 5
times just today when apps hit things like "illegal opcode")
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:28:17 -0800
From: "Jason T. Barnabas"
Subject: Re: Common Law
I have missed most of the conversation on this thread (I lost
most of my mail the last couple of days), so if I recover some
of the same stuff that has been covered, my apologies in
advance.
Glenn Goffin wrote:
> >From: "Lyle Youngblood"
>
> This is likely to get completely off-topic.
No lie buanna!
> > Actually, Jason, you're off the mark on the
> >Common Law statement as well. The Federal government
> >and the majority of the individual states (there are
> >some exceptions, New York I believe is one) are
> >governed solely by statutory law. Common Law has NO
> >standing in US, or most state, courts.
>
> Sorry, your last sentence is just plain wrong. The
> common law is alive and well in the various states,
> although some have more a more complete statutory
> scheme than others (like California, where I
> practice). Louisiana alone among the states does not
> have a common law tradition. There is even a body of
> federal common law, although it is quite small in
> scope compared to that of the states.
Most people don't know that California Code was actually
based upon the Common Law. The very first "California
Code", the _California Codes of 1872_ is the largest and
most comprehensive codification of the Common Law ever
done. It is also still binding law in the state of California.
While finding it in print is somewhat difficult, it is available
on diskette. If anyone would like a copy contact me
off-list.
> >Locally, we just went 'round and 'round on this one a
> >bit back with the local fundies who tried to overturn
> >a local ordinance prohibiting discrimination based on
> >sexual preference because sodomy was against the
> >Common Law, despite the fact that Indiana is a
> >statutory law state and our last anti-sodomy law was
> >struck down by the State Supreme Court as un-
> >constitutional and never replaced 20+ years ago.
>
> In every state, statutes govern the criminal law, for
> obvious due process reasons. The laws governing
> torts, contracts, and conflict of laws are typically
> left to common law processes.
I take it that Glen is an attorney at law. One of the problems
that he faces is that he was trained in a "modern" law school.
I mean NO disrepect to Glen, it is not his fault that most law
schools no longer cover Common Law properly. I understand
that many law schools no longer even offer a constitution law
class.
> > ObTrav: The difference between statutory law and
>
> The law of the system you're travelling to is
> something to consider.
Believe it or not, the very topic of this thread can make for
some excellent (and educational) adventures for your favorite
PCs.
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:48:25 +1300
From: "Frank Pitt"
Subject: Re: Drawing Program
> >Basically, even if it was legal to attempt such a thing, it would be
> >impossible to prove, seeing as programs exist that let you edit the
strings
> >in a GIF such as the one that states which editor created it.
> >I often change this to read something like Unisys Sucks! just for the
hell
> >of it whenever I need to use GIF.
>
> Really?
> Sounds interesting. Where can you get these from?
Seeing as it's such a small file (30Kb) I've emailed an example DOS program
directly to Nick,
If anyone else would like to see it, mail me off list and I'll forward it to
you
Actually examining a few GIF's I fond most of the ones's I've got don't have
any identification such as this anyway.
Frankie
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:46:34 -0800
From: "Jason T. Barnabas"
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish
Frank Pitt wrote:
> OK Leonard,. seeing as I _teach_ OO analysis, design, and programming, as
> well as several languages, (Jade, Java, C++, Visual Basic) UML, & CORBA,
> that sounds like a challenge !
>
> If you want to converse off list, I may be able to help you.
> Jory, let me know if you wanna be CC'd (as long as Leonard doesn't mind )
I would also like to be CC'd. Maybe I can learn something.
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:03:13 -0800
From: "Jason T. Barnabas"
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion
Kenji Schwarz wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Robert Prior wrote:
> > >Does that really surprise you? If the mere idea of cloning raises
> > >world-wide reaction, imagine the storm over attempts to create
> > >"monkey man!" Okay, *I* know that's a misnomer, but I can see the
> > >screaming headlines now.
> >
> > Actually, yes I am surprised. I can see not publishing the results,
though,
> > so I suppose it might have been done and we just haven't heard about it.
>
> A biomedical researcher doing experiments (with what money, pray tell) and
> then *not* publishing all about it? Hahahahahahahahaha!
I can outline a scenario for how the experiment could be
carried out with virtually no cost. Mr. Scholar, curious as to
the possibilities determines to do the experiment. In his job
he has access to female chimps for other experimentation
(could be anything from psychological to pharmaceutical) and
can determine when one of them is in eusterous (sp.?) and
artificially inseminate her using his own seed. All he has to
do is make sure that she has no contact with her own kind.
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:08:53 -0800
From: "Jason T. Barnabas"
Subject: Re: free trader
wrote:
> MT/CT had 13.5 m3 = 1 dton. So, 2 of the 1.5 x 1.5 x 3 m squares
> was 1 dton. Each square = 1/2 dton.
>
> TNE used 14 m3 = 1 dton. It used 1 x 1 x 3.5 m squares and it took
> 4 to make a dton. Each square = 1/4 dton.
In CT, 1 std = 14 m^3 = 2 1.5 x 1.5 squares.
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:16:25 +1300
From: "Frank Pitt"
Subject: Re: Art and attraction
>And we could get over pretending that we are all Vulcans who
> choose our mates by logic.
I _did_ choose my mate logically .
I couldn't live without her, so the logical thing to do was to live with her
!
Frankie
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:19:51 +1300
From: "Frank Pitt"
Subject: Re: Keyboard kills & misc
> > >Can we have some ethnically diverse GUYS in sexy outfits please?
> > I'll go for the sexy skintight leotard, ........
>
> When I first read this, I thought it said "sexy skintight leonard". Which
> puzzled me too much to allow the slightest hint of intranasal compression.
>
> > Shuddering Thought: Norris in a sexy skintight leotard.
>
> And the ducal feather boa, let's not forget!
Never understood why you'd want a feather boa, I prefer the scaly ones
myself
It's the cod-piece that really makes the outfit though.
Now if we tie this in with the scarlet fish thread....
Frankie
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:17:18 -0800
From: "Jason T. Barnabas"
Subject: Re: free trader
Anthony Merlock wrote:
> Titan Games (http://www.titangames.com) has the Judges' Guild deckplans
for
> $6 in their "Special Sales Items" catalog (direct URL
> http://www.titangames.com/titansite/rpg_items/Sale.html)
>
> If you haven't dealt with Titan Games, they're a great company; just a tad
> bit slow sometimes (it can take a week before they respond to your order).
>
> These were the first deckplans I found for Traveller, and I still love
them.
If you send them your email address, they will confirm your
order as soon as it arrives and let you know when they mail
it out.
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 02:37:40 -0600
From: Black ICE
Subject: Re: Art and attraction
Frank Pitt wrote:
>
> >And we could get over pretending that we are all Vulcans who
> > choose our mates by logic.
>
> I _did_ choose my mate logically .
>
> I couldn't live without her, so the logical thing to do was to live with her
> !
>
How fortunate for you, sir, that you [staying with the Vulcan motif]
found an Amanda, rather than a T'Pring.
OTOH, I don't have the Dependent NPC Disadvantage....
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:55:27 +1000
From: "Alan Bradley"
Subject: re: Santanocheev, the man...
> From: Glenn Goffin
> >Dan Roseberry
> >Who were Santanocheev's "political and social
> >connections"? the persons who had promoted him to
> >Sector Admiral
>
> I've assumed that he was well connected to the court
> of the Matriarch of Mora. Mora is the sector capital,
> so the Matriarch (who also holds the Imperial title
> Duchess of Mora) wields a lot of power in the sector.
I've always assumed some kind of tie to the Tukera clan. But Delphine is
good, too.
> Santanocheev retired.
.....
> He might have just gotten old and decided
> that he didn't want to run any more wars, but would
> rather tend his garden and enjoy his wife and
> grandchildren.
Which raises the question of his children....
> Post-war Santanocheev might be an interesting factor
> in a game. The obvious possibilities are:
>
> 1) Santanocheev seeks revenge on Norris for Norris'
> exposing him as the incompetent he truly is. The PCs
> might be hired by Santanocheev to discredit Norris in
> some way, or by Norris to protect him from
> Santanocheev.
This is one I've often considered. The other alternative is that it's not
Santanocheev himself that is doing it, but one of his kids, or other
family.
> 2) "When you get tired of checking your porridge for
> broken glass, you are tired of being a sector duke."
Sigh. Close, but no splort.
Anyway, IMTU I've hypothesised that Santanocheev has a son, Captain
Roderick "Roddy" Santanocheev. He's a good officer, whose career,
unfortunately has been heavily influenced by politics. At first, his
father's influence worked in his favour, but later his father's downfall
damaged his career. He's a little bit ticked off by this, and just might
do something silly if he thought he could get back at Norris.
As an example of the kind of damage that could have occurred to his career,
he could have been assigned to command a Kinunir class ship....
Alan Bradley
alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au
ps: My ISP's mail server has been playing up over the last few days. I've
got twenty unread TML digests sitting on my machine. The horror! The
horror!
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 03:27:59 -0600
From: Black ICE
Subject: Re: Santanocheev, the man...
Alan Bradley wrote:
>
> > From: Glenn Goffin
> > >Dan Roseberry
> > >Who were Santanocheev's "political and social
> > >connections"? the persons who had promoted him to
> > >Sector Admiral
> >
> > I've assumed that he was well connected to the court
> > of the Matriarch of Mora. Mora is the sector capital,
> > so the Matriarch (who also holds the Imperial title
> > Duchess of Mora) wields a lot of power in the sector.
>
> I've always assumed some kind of tie to the Tukera clan. But Delphine is
> good, too.
>
> > Santanocheev retired.
> .....
> > He might have just gotten old and decided
> > that he didn't want to run any more wars, but would
> > rather tend his garden and enjoy his wife and
> > grandchildren.
>
> Which raises the question of his children....
>
> > Post-war Santanocheev might be an interesting factor
> > in a game. The obvious possibilities are:
> >
> > 1) Santanocheev seeks revenge on Norris for Norris'
> > exposing him as the incompetent he truly is. The PCs
> > might be hired by Santanocheev to discredit Norris in
> > some way, or by Norris to protect him from
> > Santanocheev.
>
> This is one I've often considered. The other alternative is that it's not
> Santanocheev himself that is doing it, but one of his kids, or other
> family.
>
> > 2) "When you get tired of checking your porridge for
> > broken glass, you are tired of being a sector duke."
>
> Sigh. Close, but no splort.
>
> Anyway, IMTU I've hypo