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Traveller-digest Sunday, October 31 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 1288
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The following topics are covered in this digest:
Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)
Missing Subjects Was(Re: )
Re: Alderson Drives and the MiGE Universe (was Re: Traveller: Aberrant jump d...
Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)
Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace
Re: Alderson Drives and the MiGE Universe (was Re: Traveller: Aberrant jump ...
RE: Traveller economics
RE: 'general war' 5FFW [long]
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace 2
Re: opengl95.exe
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
Re: 'general war' 5FFW [long]
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
Re: Who's that knocking on my door?
Re: One Day In Peace 2
RE: 'general war' 5FFW [long]
New at The Traveller Trader
Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace
Protest in the 3I, was a dead horse spot called Re: One Day In Peace 2
Re: Re Maps
Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace
Re: Don't say I never listen to you...
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 15:53:29 -0600
From: "Eris Reddoch"
Subject: Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)
>> > (okay, so the hospitals are free, the schools and universities are
>> >free, etc. And no, Denmark is not a communist state - it's just the
>> >way it is)
What I want to know is why would someone think Denmark was a
communist state? Not because of the social programs listed or the
high taxes mentioned, surely! Health care and higher education is
pretty close to being free in most of Western Europe and Canada
isn't it? We might joke about it, but we really don't think Canada
*or* Denmark is a communist country. Now, if you said that Denmark
has banned private ownership of property, especially productive
property, that would be a different story.
Feel free to ignore my personal opinions, but about the state
providing social services... We all know these services aren't
*really* free. So, you should expect higher taxes if the state is
paying for extensive social services. At what level where this is a
good trade off (increased services for everyone vs higher taxes
assessed against everyone) is a debatable point that every country
has to make, but one that can exist in any mixed market economy
state.
I think one of the problems folks in the US have with government
provided services is that we don't perceive the services are (or
would be) worth what we pay (or would pay) for them. The perception
may be right or wrong, but it is there. Personally, I think it is a
size problem. Public education through 12th grade is free and is,
for the most part, both locally controlled and financed. Programs
that extend beyond the local or state level is where most people
have seem to strongly object.
Ob Trav: It appears that schools and universities are generally
free in the OTU as well. Otherwise, PC's would have the strong
possibility of having outstanding loans after graduating. Frankly,
I think, a lot of us play the medical system as being pretty much
free as well. When's the last time you asked a PC for an insurance
card or denied them medical care until they paid, or showed that
they could pay for the care?
Eris
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 15:12:10 -0600
From: "Eris Reddoch"
Subject: Missing Subjects Was(Re: )
On 10/31/99 at 04:50 AM, "William F. Hostman" said:
>>Smoke Ring, *might* be in set in Known Space, but I don't think it
>>is. There was a sequel to The Smoke Ring a few years ago, IIRC.
>"Smoke Ring" IS the sequel... to "The Integral Trees". If there is a
>Third book, please, gimmitz the title!
You are correct, Smoke Ring was the sequel. I also remember Rammer
now that you mention it...and The State as described would have been
a very bad place to live.
And re the subject line....it seems like you've been sending a lot
of posts recently without a subject.
Eris
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:50:00 -0600
From: "Eris Reddoch"
Subject: Re: Alderson Drives and the MiGE Universe (was Re: Traveller: Aberrant jump d...
On 10/31/99 at 10:32 AM, "Keven R. Pittsinger" said:
>> It has a detailed timeline, and astronomical details derived from fanatical
>> analysis of all of Pournelle's writings.
>Slight correction.
>It's http://www.chronology.org/pournelle
...and it still doesn't give any guidance on how an Alderson Point
is determined. I suspect we'd just have to do a handwave on this
anyway.
I know that in the MiGE universe the points are generally several AU
out from the star, but for a varient, I don't see why we couldn't
put them close to the star.
Eris
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:19:23 -0700
From: "David P. Summers"
Subject: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)
Sun, 31 Oct 1999 10:46:21 -0800, "Kiri Aradia Morgan"
>ObTrav: I wonder about different protesting styles in the cultures of the
>Third Imperium. How do the Vilani protest ANYTHING? Do the Vargr and the
>Aslan even have demonstrations? Do the K'Kree throw paint on old ladies in
>furs?
A bit amusing....
K'Kree -> No protests against K'Kree society. K'Kree living abroad (all 7
of them :-) may stage protests as directed from above.
Vilani -> Rare protests. Those that do occur follow tradional forms
exactly, as does the official response. They only occur for tradionally
accepted reasons.
Vargr -> All the time.
Alsan -> Yes. Highly ritualized. Different forms for whether you are
willing to stop short of starting a blood feud.
Zhondani -> No. Those who are unhappy are "helped" before it ever comes to
that.
Droyne -> Generally no. May occur as directed by a Leader but mass opinion
has little or no meaning among the Droyne.
Hiver -> Probably not. Discontent is expressed through less public channels.
______________________________
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(This is the net. My e-mail address may be in Boston, but I'm in California.)
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:33:43 -0000
From: "Chris Seamans"
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace
Jason Kemp forwarded the following:
>This a 24 hour concept where no guns are fired anywhere on earth,
>including on television. What if: for 24 hours, whosoever was at war
>in December 1999,agrees that for one whole day, no guns would be
>fired. The silence would be golden. What if: the television
>programmers of the world agreed NOT to air any programming with a
>violent content?
It's entirely possible that I'll have a hangover when I wake up on January
1st, so I might actually appreciate the silence. However, I think it will be
better to silence the Prince song "1999" for a day, since I'll probably hear
it more times this New Year's Eve than I have since it was released.
Apart from that, I don't really care. I don't buy the "cause and effect" of
violent movies and television on people. If it were, I would most likely be
a bloodthirsty bastard who would make Hannibal the Cannibal look like Mary
Poppins.
>What if people boycotted movies with violent
>content?
To put it simply, it would draw more people to movie theaters to see those
violent movies. In point of fact, if such a thing happens at a theater near
me I vow that I will take lots of Motrin, drink lots of caffeine and go and
see the most violent movies possible.
>At present this ONE DAY IN PEACE concept is beginning to
>get further circulation. Can you spread this concept so that a
>possibility might become a reality?
To put it bluntly: No.
Jason, my apologies if you're insulted by my comments.
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:46:09 EST
From: RnLschaefr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alderson Drives and the MiGE Universe (was Re: Traveller: Aberrant jump ...
In a message dated 10/31/99 5:52:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
eris@pcola.gulf.net writes:
<<
I know that in the MiGE universe the points are generally several AU
out from the star, but for a varient, I don't see why we couldn't
put them close to the star. >>
A points are usualy about 5au's out from a star if the map in The Gripping
Hand is any indication....
BobS
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:53:30 -0000
From: "Trevor, Peter"
Subject: RE: Traveller economics
Keven R. Pittsinger wrote:
> > Is the money traded like it is on our stock markets?
>
> Beats me. I never *could* figure out currency exchanges.
>
> > Who sets the exchange rates? That is; how do they decide that
> > a Swordworlder buck is worth half a credit or whatever?
>
> On 'lawless' worlds, the banks do. On medium law worlds, the
> local gov does. On high law worlds, the local gov does, but you
> can prolly get a *better* deal on the black market. Just don't
> get caught!
>
> The chart:
First off, in RL most financial systems partially separate the
stock market, bond market, commodities market, and forex (foreign
exchange or currency) market. However, the forex market tends to
work much like the stock market ... currency is fast becoming
just another type of asset like a stock.
Currency is often abreviated to "ccy"
Exchange rate is often abreviated to "xrate"
Now there are two xrates: the PPP (purchase price parity) xrate
which is used by economists to compare different countries GDP
figures (etc), and the market xrate which is used by everyone
else when buying and selling ccy.
The PPP xrate is the rate that *would* exist if goods and
services had a universal price. For example if a range of goods
cost USD 10,000 in the US and the same goods cost GBP 6,000 in
the UK then the PPP xrate would be USD 10 = GBP 6 (or about
USD 1.67 per GBP).
The market xrate is xrate the free market thinks it should be.
As a rule of thumb developed nations tend to have a market xrate
similar to their PPP xrate, where as third world countries have
market xrates of 75% or even as low as 50% of their PPP xrates.
However the actual market xrate will bounce around this figure
based on speculation much as stock prices bounce around.
In anything other than a planned economy (socialist states, etc)
the market xrate is set by the free market. In planned economies
the xrate is set by the planetary government ... and where its
rate differs from a free market evaluation there will be:
1) a "black market"
2) a preference amongst locals for non-local major ccy
3) an impediment to international trade
Note that banks (etc) typically quote the xrate with their mark-
ups already added in (thus they quote a separate buy and sell
rate for each ccy). The difference between the buy and sell
xrates is called the "spread".
The chart given only begins to make sense if you think of it as
giving the xrate in local credits ... where there are N local ccy
units ("bucks", "quid", "yen", whatever) per local credit. N is
a relatively stable but otherwise random number.
Regards PLST
"If the ship is sinking - maybe the rats have a point."
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:05:45 -0600
From: "Eris Reddoch"
Subject: RE: 'general war' 5FFW [long]
On 10/31/99 at 09:11 PM, "Trevor, Peter" said:
>Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> 6)The Hivers wouldn't do it this way...they'd manipulate the 3I
>> to fall of it's own accord...much bigger bragging rights doing
>> it that way than straightforward conquest. They also would not
>> ally with the K'Kree, or the K'Kree with them.
>Ah ha! That explains the *real* reason for the Rebelion.
Of course, wasn't it obvious? ;-J
>JFK^B^B^BStrephon was actually assassinated by the Hiver-
>manipulated IRIS, and Dulinor was set up to take the fall. And the
>Hivers used the ubiquitous Droyne (aka "the Greys") as their agents.
Actually, it goes much deeper than that. The Hivers were
manipulating both Dulinor and Lucan. One to assassinate Strephon
and the other to finish distrupting the center.
Yes, and the Virus was a Hiver manipulation too!
...but you didn't hear any of that from me.
Eris
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:23:32 -0800
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan"
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace 2
>>Since when does yelling and throwing paint contstitute "peaceful
picketing"?
>>
>Yelling is indeed peaceful picketing by the standards generally applied.
It is also something that doesn't hurt anyone and shouldn't be restricted.
Like I said, even many pro-choice advocates who remember the tactics used
against them in the sixties have taken this position.
>
I have a problem with protesters (of anything) who get up into your face and
yell things directly AT you. Yelling "one two three four, time to stop this
effing war" or other appropriate slogans, is one thing. Abortion and animal
rights protesters, and union protesters too, though, have this habit of
getting into people's faces and yelling personal insults directly at people.
This is, by most legal definitions, assault-- and should be prosecuted as
such.
>Throwing paint is indeed a violation of the law and should be
>dealt with. But trying to use the tactics of a radical faction
>to discredit an entire movement is a tactic that was wrong when
>applied to anti-Vietnam War protestors and should be avoided
>here.
>
No one was trying to do that-- I merely mentioned that this does not happen
in Japan. My personal position on abortion and animal rights has yet to be
stated. However, my not being a Christian may be a big clue as to the
former; this is *generally* (I know there are some exceptions) a religious
issue.
>>If all the protestors do is stand around outside with their signs and draw
attention to themselves, I have no problem with that.
>>
>Others do. Laws have been passed to limit this.
>
I understand this, but I should imagine these laws do not hold up in court.
>> The minute they start harassing others and/or try to interfere with
people trying to get into the clinic, they are no longer engaged in
"peaceful picketing".
>>
>I agree (as long as you are talking about real harassment and not simple
things like shouting your beliefs).
>
Shouting beliefs, fine. Getting directly into someone's face at spitting
distance and telling them that THEY are a murderer (whether because they
wear fur, are entering a women's clinic, or are going to work at a nonunion
company), not fine, especially if you are gesticulating wildly and in
general, behaving in a threatening manner.
> Even here there is some hypocrisy in the world. I know many people who
see not problem with harassing scabs crossing a picket line who get bent out
of shape by anti-abortion protestors.
>
I'm not one of those people. I don't think you have the right to get in
another person's face and shout at them. I don't think that being in
protest of something should obviate the normal laws against threatening
behavior, assault, and battery. I also think that aggressive panhandlers
(the kind that follow you, act menacing, and make you wonder if they will
mug you to get the money) should be jailed.
> The problem is that too many people are simply trying to limit advocacy of
views they disagree with. Instead we should be trying to reach a consistent
definition of what is allowed and applying it evenly to all.
>
I agree.
Now that we've agreed, perhaps we should find a way to steer this
conversation back to topic.
What is allowed in the 3I?
Kiri
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:31:47 -0600
From: Shimmergloom
Subject: Re: opengl95.exe
Now I feel stupid.
:(
Evyn MacDude wrote:
> Shimmergloom wrote:
>
> > opengl95.exe
> >
> > Any of you 3d artists out there have a copy of this file? I can't find
> > anywhere.
>
> Look on the Drivers disk that came with your video card.
>
> --
> Evyn...
>
> Get six jolly cowboys to carry my coffin
> Get six pretty maidens to bear up my pall
> Bunches of roses all over my coffin
> Roses to deaden the clods as they fall
> Laredo
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:09:27 -0800
From: "Glenn M. Goffin"
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
> From: cos 90
> Okay, how about an example closer to home? Canadians watch the same
> violent TV and movies that Americans do. Canada's level of social control
> is for the most part the same as what one finds in the USA. On the other
> hand, Canada's violent crime rate is a small fraction of the USA's.
Yes, it's obvious that our attempts to destroy Canadian society and turn
it into a shadow of the United States have met with repeated failure.
Our scientists continue to study methods of dealing with the Menace of
the North.
- --Glenn
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:18:20 -0800
From: "Glenn M. Goffin"
Subject: Re: 'general war' 5FFW [long]
> From: Dan Roseberry
> I ripped off an idea today and I'm looking for feedback:
> 'The General War' ( a 5FFW variant)
It's too big for 5FW rules, I think. Remember, the 5FW map is of only
about one quarter of the Spinward Marches, and still takes up about half
a pool table. I think this idea is better suited to Diplomacy (which we
were discussing a while ago on the TML; the seven players as Imperial,
Solomani, Aslan, Zhodani, Vargr, K'Kree and Hiver was my idea (although
maybe not only mine)).
> Ref note: This idea comes from about 50 billion different sources; the
> couple I'm
> prepared to cite are Star Fleet Battles and G:T. SFB has a campaign
See supra.
> And now, on to our questions:
> 1. Plausibility:
> a. Could they have the means to launch such a war?
> b. Would they launch such an attack?
Yes, sure they do -- but do they trust each other enough actually to
expose their military/naval resources to the Imperium?
- --Glenn
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:21:21 -0800
From: "Glenn M. Goffin"
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace
> From: "Gary Miles"
> In my univerese, there is a small-but-persistant sect called the
> Psychohistorians (most refer to them as Psychos). They hang around starport
> terminals, with shaved heads and saffron robes, chanting:
>
> "Hari Seldon, Hari Seldon
> Seldon, Seldon,
> Hari, Hari..."
I'm so glad that I decided to read one more TML and then go get
something to drink, instead of vice versa. My nose and keyboard
appreciate it.
- --Glenn
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:35:04 -0800
From: "Glenn M. Goffin"
Subject: Re: Who's that knocking on my door?
> From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
> Need I mention that a similar situation (say, with the religion of an
> alien race) has *great* potential for a Traveller scenario?
"What's with Smith? He's dressing weird lately."
"Oh, he converted to a Chosen One during a long op in Gvurrdon Sector."
"What, I didn't think you could convert to Judaism?"
"No, not those chosen ones, I mean the Vargr religion. He's just asking
for trouble."
- --Glenn
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:41:51 -0800
From: "Glenn M. Goffin"
Subject: Re: One Day In Peace 2
> From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan"
> ObTrav: I wonder about different protesting styles in the cultures of the
> Third Imperium. How do the Vilani protest ANYTHING? Do the Vargr and the
> Aslan even have demonstrations? Do the K'Kree throw paint on old ladies in
> furs?
The Vilani probably have a traditional, sanctioned form of protest that
involves completing official protest forms at the appropriate
administrative office. Come to think of it, that's probably how the
Zhodani handle it, too, except that forms are just a formality to create
a record, because the Tavrchedl have already figured out what the
protestors are upset about and made recommendations to the local noble
council.
How can an outsider even tell if the Vargr are protesting? In any case,
protest styles will vary extremely across the incredible diversity of
Vargr societies.
The Aslan probably have great traditions of noble and honorable protest,
including carrying petitions to Edo (but not ritual suicide, as I
recall).
The K'Kree shoot old ladies in furs.
- --Glenn
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:44:21 -0800
From: "Glenn M. Goffin"
Subject: RE: 'general war' 5FFW [long]
> From: "Trevor, Peter"
> Ah ha! That explains the *real* reason for the Rebelion.
Remember, even the Knights Templar are just a Hiver manipulation.
- --Glenn
(current holder of the Templar Award for Avoiding Being Photographed)
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:53:58 -0500
From: "Sword Worlder"
Subject: New at The Traveller Trader
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:24:38 -0700
From: Bruce Johnson
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace
Chris Seamans wrote:
> Apart from that, I don't really care. I don't buy the "cause and effect" of
> violent movies and television on people. If it were, I would most likely be
> a bloodthirsty bastard who would make Hannibal the Cannibal look like Mary
> Poppins.
As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence in TV and
movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see random acts of
situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:41:17 -0700
From: Bruce Johnson
Subject: Protest in the 3I, was a dead horse spot called Re: One Day In Peace 2
Glenn M. Goffin wrote:
>
> > From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan"
>
> > ObTrav: I wonder about different protesting styles in the cultures of the
> > Third Imperium. How do the Vilani protest ANYTHING? Do the Vargr and the
> > Aslan even have demonstrations? Do the K'Kree throw paint on old ladies in
> > furs?
>
> The K'Kree shoot old ladies in furs.
No, they don't...they nuke them and their planets from orbit, just to make
sure. If they're feeling particularly frisky, they sterilize every system for
a parsec around, unless the have nice pastureland, in which case they just use
lots and lots of neutron bombs.
Hivers stage three different counter-protests, publish subtly biased articles
in obscure but influential journals and infiltrate counter-agents to bend the
protesters organization to their own ends.
The Solomani protest with tanks and fixed bayonets...oops! I'm sorry, that's
the Solomani _response_ to protests...
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:50:07 -0700
From: Bruce Johnson
Subject: Re: Re Maps
William F. Hostman wrote:
>
> >
> >Another thing you're missing, here, I think. The 3I only appears bigger than
> >all of the other groups because all we see are the 3I-centric maps. All of the
> >major polities have occupied space that goes far beyond the fringes that show
> >on the 3I maps.
> >
> I possess a wall-map version and the version of the known space map in the
> Library Data book clearly showing the extent fo the Zhodani, Imperial,
> Aslan-Tlakhu, Hive Confed., Solomani Confed, and the 2000 worlds (K'Kree).
> So far, none of the CT alien modules have disagreed with said maps.
You mean something like the "KNOWN SPACE" maps that show the Solomani
confederation being approximately half the size of the 3I, only part of the
Hierate, and small bits of the 2000 Worlds and Hive Federation? Is this the
same as the maps in the Imperial Encyclopedia?
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:01:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenji Schwarz
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence in TV and
> movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see random acts of
> situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"
I see it constantly. I wish I didn't. Life would be much easier that
way.
Kenji
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:50:40 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Don't say I never listen to you...
In mail you write:
> Well, ask and ye shall receive.
>
> Several of you have emailed me with comments about my website. In response
> to your comments, I have _again_ changed the sight - removing all scripting
> and much of the graphic "bitz".
>
> What remains? I'm using the following:
> HTML 3.2
> Frames
> Cascading Style Sheets, but the site will work with out them.
> Tables
>
> No DHTML, no JavaScript, no Applets, etc...
>
> Several people said that they thought a site should be pure text - no
> graphical elements or layout at all. Well, I don't think I can go that far.
> I find text only sites to be rather boring - my opinion, of course.
>
> I hope that you find this _new_ version to be acceptable and faster. And
> keep the comments coming.
*My* take on this is that a pages should be *usable* in text mode. And
that if you've got the nifty "inline" graphics, it would be nice if
they were tagged so that us "text only" folks can download them to view
later.
- --
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort
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